M104 3.6 still being manufactured?

[Niks]

This I found incredible, Ssangyong in Korea (otherwise known as Daewoo) have a range called "Chairman". They have 2 ranges, "Chairman H" and "Chairman W". Check out these engine specs...

Chairmain H (1997 to present, based on the W124 Chassis), available with these mercedes engine options coupled to a 5G Tronic gearbox...

2.3 I4 150 148bhp
2.8 I6 200 197bhp
3.2 I6 220 217bhp
3.6 I6 280 275bhp <-- Still being manufactured??? (M104.941)

Chairman W (2008 to present) available with these mercedes options coupled to a 7G Tronic gearbox...

3.2 I6 XGi320 222bhp
3.6 I6 XGi360 247bhp <-- Still being manufactured??? (M104.941)
5.0 V8 XGi500 302bhp

According to Ssangyong's website for the Chairman W XGi360, it gives engine information for the 3.6...

Displacement - 3,598cc (compared to AMGs 3,606cc)
Bore - 91mm
Stroke - 92.4mm
Compression - 10,1:1

I thought M104 3.6 engine productions were stopped after the AMG E36/C36 models were discontinued?

 

[RBYCC]

This I found incredible, Ssangyong in Korea (otherwise known as Daewoo) have a range called "Chairman". They have 2 ranges, "Chairman H" and "Chairman W". Check out these engine specs...

Chairmain H (1997 to present, based on the W124 Chassis), available with these mercedes engine options coupled to a 5G Tronic gearbox...

2.3 I4 150 148bhp
2.8 I6 200 197bhp
3.2 I6 220 217bhp
3.6 I6 280 275bhp <-- Still being manufactured??? (M104.941)

Chairman W (2008 to present) available with these mercedes options coupled to a 7G Tronic gearbox...

3.2 I6 XGi320 222bhp
3.6 I6 XGi360 247bhp <-- Still being manufactured??? (M104.941)
5.0 V8 XGi500 302bhp

According to Ssangyong's website for the Chairman W XGi360, it gives engine information for the 3.6...

Displacement - 3,598cc (compared to AMGs 3,606cc)
Bore - 91mm
Stroke - 92.4mm
Compression - 10,1:1

I thought M104 3.6 engine productions were stopped after the AMG E36/C36 models were discontinued?

If you look at the offering of the I4 and I6 they all have been obsoleted by Merc.
I wouldn't be surprised if Ssanyong purchased all the molds and tooling from Merc.
Curious what 5.0 V8 they are using...also looks like an obsolete Merc spec from the R129?

 

[Niks]

Ed, they are using the M113 engine for the XGi500 model

 

[Charles Morgan]

According to Wikipedia the 3.6 engine was only introduced in 2007, so it is unlikely to be the Merc / AMG 3.6.

Also, Daewoo sold out in 2000. The company is now owned by Mahindra (Indian jeep lookalike maker).

 

[NIPhil]

Some Pics

 

[Niks]

Yeah they are still being manufactured and the 3.6 is one of the engine choices.

 

[Vlad]

Strangely its not as bad looking as I was expecting....the original MK1 Chairman however, was built using much of the W124 bodyshell and looked very odd.

 

[grober]

There was a company in Germany Huber? that were going to import them and modify them to meet European Type approval a couple of years back but never came to anything- Perhaps due to Mercedes influence? Ssangyong Chairman to hit Europe | Spy Shots | News | Auto Express

 

[janner]

It looks better than the current E-Class

 

[chord]

I remember a while back a friend had a Musso, around ~2000 I think, and that had a Merc diesel engine. Seems as if they have been using MB engines for a while.

 

[chord]

According to Wikipedia the 3.6 engine was only introduced in 2007, so it is unlikely to be the Merc / AMG 3.6.

I thought the AMG 3.6 was a bored out 280 engine done by AMG. So can't be the same engine can it???

 

[spanner]

Posted in wrong thread!

 

[AnimMerc]

I remember a while back a friend had a Musso, around ~2000 I think, and that had a Merc diesel engine. Seems as if they have been using MB engines for a while.

Yes the Sprinter engine I believe and it would also fit in an 308 type van. I had a Musso to pull my Jet ski, it ran great (I hear you could use veggie oil although I never did).

SsangYong Musso - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Most SsangYong's use Mercedes engines under licence by them.

SsangYong Motor Company - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Dieselman]

SsangYong have always used Mercedes cast of drive-trains and latterly the sub structure pressings.
Most first line manufacturers sell their tooling and designs off to 2nd line manufacturers. It's a good revenue stream.

 

[abecketts]

Yes the Sprinter engine I believe and it would also fit in an 308 type van. I had a Musso to pull my Jet ski, it ran great (I hear you could use veggie oil although I never did).

SsangYong Musso - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Most SsangYong's use Mercedes engines under licence by them.

SsangYong Motor Company - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Had one of those as well, the 5 cylinder engine was fine the rest of it was a nightmare, paint failings and electrical gremlins, Mrs Abecketts was pregnant with number 2 at the time and being marooned in a car park on a number of occasions with number 1 child wailing does not bring back fond memories.

Come to think of it number 1 still wails and he's almost 18

 

[AnimMerc]

Had one of those as well, the 5 cylinder engine was fine the rest of it was a nightmare, paint failings and electrical gremlins, Mrs Abecketts was pregnant with number 2 at the time and being marooned in a car park on a number of occasions with number 1 child wailing does not bring back fond memories.

Come to think of it number 1 still wails and he's almost 18

Mine was Ok for two years and engine was low mileage but one day it did not start and about two days later I got rid of it as I heard they can be a nightmare.