NTG5S1 ambient lighting convert w212 w218 w166 3 colour to w246 12 color retrofit

[perdikoyla888]

Demystifying NTG5S1 ambient lighting => converting from w212 w218 w166 3 colour to w246 12 colour retrofit

Hello everybody,

I want to retrofit 12 colour ambient lighting in a w212 which already has 3 colour ambient lighting using all original parts from w246 12 colour ambient lighting (not aftermarket chinese)

Regarding the ambient lighting from what I understood, they are two different types.

Type A (hardwired without llinbus dedicated ambient lighting control module), 3 colours 8 colours 12 colours
Type B (intelligent software controlled type with linbus dedicated ambient lighting control module) 3 colours 8 colours 12 colours 64 colours etc

Cars with NTG5S1 comand units use Type A

Type A 3 colours uses 3 wires for ambient lighting (or 4 wires for footwell combined ambient with entrance lights)
Type A 12 colours uses 4 wires for ambient lighting (or 5 wires for footwell combined ambient with entrance lights)

Can you please tell me
colours of the wires and where wire1, wire2, wire3, wire4 go in type A 3 colours ambient lighting in the doors and where in the main body.
colours of the wires and where wire1, wire2, wire3, wire4, wire5 go in type A 12 colours ambient lighting in the doors and where in the main body.

I do not want chinese ambient. I am trying to compare w212/w218/w166 original 3 colour ambient with w246 original 12 colour ambient.
There should be a workaround that I am trying to figure out but to find out the workaround we should find the similarities and differences between the two systems.
The only reason I mentioned the chinese before is that they reverse engineered and figured out the differences between 3 colours and 12 colours. If we find this missing part of the puzzle we will find a way to adapt 12 colours ambient lighting with original parts.

There are w212/w218/w166 cars that have retrofitted 12 colour ambient lighting controlled via NTG5S1 comand (irrespective of original or aftermarket the fact remains that they are w212/w218/w166 cars with w212/w218/w166 front sams and door control modules with NTG5S1 comands) so there must be a way around if they managed to control 12 lights from NTG5S1 comand.)

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I am prety sure that NTG5S1 comand can be coded for 3 or 12 colours which is one task (if you know how please mention and explain), however the second and most important task is where the ambient wires go in the Type A 3 colours as opposed in the Type A 12 colours as I mentioned above.


Please help!!!

 

[Alfie]

Demystifying NTG5S1 ambient lighting => converting from w212 w218 w166 3 colour to w246 12 colour retrofit

Hello everybody,

I want to retrofit 12 colour ambient lighting in a w212 which already has 3 colour ambient lighting using all original parts from w246 12 colour ambient lighting (not aftermarket chinese)

Regarding the ambient lighting from what I understood, they are two different types.

Type A (hardwired without llinbus dedicated ambient lighting control module), 3 colours 8 colours 12 colours
Type B (intelligent software controlled type with linbus dedicated ambient lighting control module) 3 colours 8 colours 12 colours 64 colours etc

Cars with NTG5S1 comand units use Type A

Type A 3 colours uses 3 wires for ambient lighting (or 4 wires for footwell combined ambient with entrance lights)
Type A 12 colours uses 4 wires for ambient lighting (or 5 wires for footwell combined ambient with entrance lights)

Can you please tell me
colours of the wires and where wire1, wire2, wire3, wire4 go in type A 3 colours ambient lighting in the doors and where in the main body.
colours of the wires and where wire1, wire2, wire3, wire4, wire5 go in type A 12 colours ambient lighting in the doors and where in the main body.

I do not want chinese ambient. I am trying to compare w212/w218/w166 original 3 colour ambient with w246 original 12 colour ambient.
There should be a workaround that I am trying to figure out but to find out the workaround we should find the similarities and differences between the two systems.
The only reason I mentioned the chinese before is that they reverse engineered and figured out the differences between 3 colours and 12 colours. If we find this missing part of the puzzle we will find a way to adapt 12 colours ambient lighting with original parts.

There are w212/w218/w166 cars that have retrofitted 12 colour ambient lighting controlled via NTG5S1 comand (irrespective of original or aftermarket the fact remains that they are w212/w218/w166 cars with w212/w218/w166 front sams and door control modules with NTG5S1 comands) so there must be a way around if they managed to control 12 lights from NTG5S1 comand.)

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I am prety sure that NTG5S1 comand can be coded for 3 or 12 colours which is one task (if you know how please mention and explain), however the second and most important task is where the ambient wires go in the Type A 3 colours as opposed in the Type A 12 colours as I mentioned above.


Please help!!!

You are asking professionals to give away their intellectual property.

 

[perdikoyla888]

You are asking professionals to give away their intellectual property.

Hi Alfie how are you?

Do you really know how to convert a w212 with 3 colour ambient lighting to 12 colour ambient lighting by using only original mercedes parts from w246? (irrespective of whether you are willing or not to release information and share knowledge with fellow members in this forum)

 

[perdikoyla888]

Any thoughts?

 

[perdikoyla888]

I would appreciate any responses. Please help

 

[perdikoyla888]

A few clarifications and questions,

w212/w218/w166 cars never come out of factory with 12 colour ambient lighting but only with 3 colours.

w246 12 colour led part numbers are the following:
A0009064304 footwell 12 colour led
A2469069800 all the rest

w212 has different sam than w246

1) can w212 sam support 12 colours?
2) can w246 sam cbcbolero data with code 877 12 colour ambient lighting be adapted to a w212 sam?
3) is there free pin position in the w212 sam for the extra wire required for the 12 colour ambient light? (please bear in mind that w212 3 colour ambient lighting has three wires vs the w246 12 colour which has four wires)
4) Do you have w246 sam cbcbolero data with code 877 12 colour ambient lighting to send?
5) Does ezs need coding as well?
6) do door control modules need coding? If yes, do you have dml/dmr data with code 877 12 colour ambient lighting?

please help!

 

[perdikoyla888]

W166 with 3colour ambient lighting shares exactly the same front door control modules (A1669000318, A1669000618) with w246 with 12 colour ambient lighting, so if the extended 12 colour ambient lighting instruction is given from the 12 colour extended ambient coded NTG5S1 comand to the front door control modules without intervention of the sam, there is still some hope.

 

[perdikoyla888]

I also noticed that w212/w218 chinese kits use 4 modules (one for each door, and the dash wiring goes to the left door module, whereas the w166 chinese kits use 5 modules (one for each door and one for the dash)

 

[perdikoyla888]

Attached WIS diagrams of left front door control modules for w212/w218 w166 and w246/117/156/176/242. Door control modules are identical (exactly the same part numbers) for w166 3colourambient and w246/117/156/176/242 12colourambient.

 

[perdikoyla888]

coding of
HU5s1 :
2.VCD_Car_Functions_Coding - Ambient Light On, Color Ambient Light extended

 

[perdikoyla888]

Okay, my questions are the following

My w212 has a NTG5S1 comand which theoretically can be programmed to control 12 colours ambient lighting

I have the following door control modules in hand:
1) w212 full optioned DCM set (no missing pins) which accepts 3 colour ambient light instruction (possibly 12 colour instruction?)
FL A2129009128 FR A2129009328 RL A2129001227 RR A2129001327
2) w166 full optioned DCM set (no missing pins) which accepts 3 colour and 12 colour ambient light instruction as front dcm are used as well by w246/117/156/176/242
FL A1669000318 FR A1669000618 RL A1669006307 RR A1669006507

Lets focus on the front left DCM (see attched photo)
According to wis diagrams 12 colour ambient alighting requires 4 wires which come from sockets/connectors 6 and 8.
In specific:
connector c6(cTB1)
connector c8

for 12 colour Left front door door handle illumination are used c6pin5, c6pin9, c6pin10, c8pin6
c6=>5GNGY(_YE)-9BRN-10GYWH(_RD)
c8=>7BUYE(_BU)


for 12 colour Left front door ambiance illumination are used c6pin5, c6pin10, c8pin6, c8pin7
c6=>5GNGY(_YE)-10GYWH(_RD)
c8=>6BRN-7BUYE(_BU)

How does the 12 colour instruction from the comand reaches the front left door control module? Can you explain the path/process?
Is there a way that the comand 12 colour ambient lighting instruction reaches directly the front left door control module?
(Mosts chinese kits do not use the door control module but receive the 12 colour instruction from NTG5s1 comand throught their own control box)
Can't we find we find a similar way for the front left DCM to receive the 12 colour instruction from NTG5s1 comand?

 

[perdikoyla888]

So theoretically a reprogrammed from 3 to 12 colour ambient w212 NTG5s1 comand can send the instruction directly to front left door control module by CAN B(ody) without intervention of the SAM. And the door control module will give 12 colours if a 12 colour led (A2469069800) is connected to the correct pins of the door control module as per my previously attached photo with pinout of the front left door control module.
So basically it should work, correct?

Or still SAM172 (of w212) is a limitation and CBC Bolero unit (of w246/117/156/176/242) is a requirement?

So the million dollar question is: for ambient lighting does NTG5s1 COMAND communicate directly with the DCMs OR NTG5s1 COMAND communicates to the SAM, and the SAM in turn communicates with the DCMs? If it is direct Comand-to-DCM communication it should work fine, otherwise is there a workaround to bypass the SAM somehow in a similar way like aftermarket 12 colour ambient lighting chinese boxes(modules) that communicate with NTG5S1 comand which controls the 12 colours? Or to reprogram SAM172 (of w212) to do 12 colour can b signal from comand to sam and from sam to dcm?

 

[perdikoyla888]

I understand that for the ambient lighting LEDs in front the dashboard and the center console and footwell are controlled by sam172, cbc bolero unit etc.
However for the door ambient lighting, the Door Control Units are connected to the leds (not the sam or cbc bolero unit etc). Aren't DCMs connected to CAN B? Can't the DCMs (that door ambient LEDs are connected to) get the data from the NTG5S1 head unit from CAN B and transmit to the DCM connected LEDs? Provided you have DCM that support 12 colour ambient lighting? So can't the DCMs that support 12 colour ambient lighting have the ability to act the same way like chinese aftermarket control boxes?
Please experts, do throw some light to this.

 

[perdikoyla888]

It is possible to use A166..... DCM on a SAMF172 based car, as there is also high probability that existing full optioned A212.... DCM which does have the required hardware 12 colour ambient lighting pins in socket6 (pin5, pin9, pin10) and socket8 (pin6, pin7) to communicate properly with NTG5S1 comand coded for 12 colour ambient lighting.

Not all A212 DCMs have socket 8 and all required pins, however the front ones pictured they do have them. I have already attached comparison photos of A212... and A166... FULL OPTIONED DCMs

In my opinion it is important to learn if there is a workaround to use 12 colour ambient lighting original mercedes parts to convert a w212 (or a w166) without using aftermarket chinese parts, and if there is the slightest possibility this to be achieved it is worth all the effort.

 

[perdikoyla888]

Also there is a russian company that claims that they converted a w166 gle from 3colour to 12colour ambient lighting using original parts.
Could somebody that speaks russian contact them and figure out if this is accurate and they did not use aftermarket chinese control boxes?

w166 - доработка штатного Ambient Lighting

Добрый день!У нас в гостях GLE в 166 кузове, владелец которого захотел расширить штатные 3 цвета подсветки до 12. Это возможно штатными методами, путем замены всех диодов на оригинальные RGB-диоды и кодирования автомобиля.Данная опция доступна только рестайлинговым 166, а так же

dasmb.ru

 

[perdikoyla888]

I would appreciate some more responses from the experts of this forum. Please help!

 

[perdikoyla888]

Hello again my fellow forum members!
A few questions

1) What is the procedure set the NTG5S1 comand head unit to extended 12 colour ambient lighting mode? Is there a hidden menu? Does it need to be programmed and what exactly is needed. In HU5s1 : 2.VCD_Car_Functions_Coding - Ambient Light On, Color Ambient Light extended)

2) Can the instrument cluster control 12 colours as well? Can it be set as well to extended 12 colour ambient lighting mode?

3) Does the front door control module DCM receive directly from the NTG5S1 comand head unit via CAN B without intervention of the SAM? If yes, does the NTG5S1 comand ambient control information reach the door control module via CAN B as long as you set the NTG5S1 comand to 12 colour ambient light or needs to manually set the CAN B signals?

4) If CAN B signals need to be set manually does anyone know the configuration? Or CAN B sniffer is needed?

5) If CAN B sniffer is needed which one is good for mercedes w212, w166, w246 etc?

6) I noticed that some people still control 12 colours ambient lighting from 3 colour NTG5S1 comand or 3 colour instrument cluster. All colours change just the comand and instrument cluster displays show 3 colour animation istead of 12 colour. Does this mean that even without setting the NTG5S1 comand or instrument cluster to 12 colours ambient lighting mode, if using the correct pins from the dcm does the 12 colour ambient lighting still work?

 

[perdikoyla888]

I have a full set of full optioned w212 DCU (the full optioned ones that have socket 6 and socket 8 extra pins like the w166 DCU which I suspect they might be capable like the w166 for 12 colour since they have identical pinout)
A2129009128
A2129009328
A2129001227
A2129001327
And
I have a full set of full optioned w166 DCU
A1669000318
A1669000618
A1669006307
A1669006507
And
I have a full optioned NTG5S1 comand head unit
And
I have a full set of 12 colour LED footwell ambient lights
A0009064304 and also
A0009065107
And
I have a full set of 12 colour ambient lights for dash, center console and door cards
A2469069800
And I have prewired to the LEDs extra wiring for 12 colours (one extra wire going to the LED connectors totaling 5 wires for footwell LEDs and 4 wires for dash, center console and door card LEDs.

So what is the next step?

 

[richard]

Make sure your front SAM (that I think is the thing that drives the footwell ambient lights) supports 12 colour!

 

[MarkAT]

Doing well so far
I have no technical knowledge to offer, but watching with interest