Poor Gear Change 2012 250 cdi coupe 722.9 plus gearbox, fixed!

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yantog

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Hello everyone,

I would like to share my experience I had with my 2012 250 cdi coupe 722.9 plus gearbox. I had poor gear changes which were annoying, not smooth especially when cold and the car wasn’t as smooth as it should have been also when slowing down/braking quickly it would sometimes kind of bang into the low gears.

I hope this can help others because the solution turned out to be unexpected and had nothing to do with the gearbox.

First thing i did was change the gearbox oil (sump only) and filter twice. (this made no difference).

I tried putting cleaning additive in the fuel (this made no difference) .

I changed the engine and gearbox mounts (this made a difference, it made it a bit smooth, the engine mounts were shot probably because it was changing gear badly and it had worn them out).

I took it to a local garage and they said the propshaft bearing had play in it which was causing the bang into low gears and they changed that (made no difference)

I took it to an Indy specialist and they were very helpful but unfortunately couldn’t find a problem when plugged in (didn’t charge me anything for it). The specialist is very far from my house so the car was fully warmed up by then.

Anyway, after all that and a lot of searching online I was either going to try and have the software updated (if it needed it) or take the valve body off and clean the solenoid valves (glad I didn’t).

But from there I had convinced myself that the poor gear changes were normal and that’s just what they did.

A couple of months later the cold weather came to the UK and I noticed the temp would fairly quickly go up to about a quarter then take a long time to go up to above halfway (heat coming out of heaters as normal). I searched online and a lot of people were saying either it's normal or thermostat (I was thinking thermostat too just like an older style car).

I left it alone and shortly after did a long 700 mile drive, temp was over half as normal and no problems except when I came back, the next day the low water in the radiator light was on. I filled it up and left it. A week or so later it was back on.

I check for leaks and could see the coolant orangey marks were under the water pump where it had been leaking slightly also there was slight play in the bearing and it was a bit grimy when spun but not too bad.

Ordered a new water pump and changed it. When looking at the water pump I could see the gasket had perished between the 2 chambers as shown in the photos.

I have been driving it around now for a few weeks and it has smoothed out the gear changes even when cold, the power feels at the top of the pedal, the car feels much smoother in general and it feel faster. I surprised about the difference it has made to the car.

The only thing I can think of is the gasket leak between the chambers was affecting the thermostat which was probably causing other problems too. Anyway, I think I could have gotten away with just changing the gasket with is about 10 quid on ebay.

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The water pumps are a very common failure point on these. The original ones had a plastic body but the original merc replacement is a metal version. I had mine changed a while ago as it had a slight leak.

I am glad you sorted it but I am very surprised that it was the water Pump making the gear changes bad. But these cars are complicated so who knows. the end result is good though.

The cars have a mapped thermostat which was new to me, they have a heater in them to open and close when the ECU demands it to (kind of), and the water pump is also mapped so it can only run when the cars wants it to.

Complicated but quite effective.

Anyway good result so happy days!

Which specialist did you use if you dont mind me asking..
 
The water pumps are a very common failure point on these. The original ones had a plastic body but the original merc replacement is a metal version. I had mine changed a while ago as it had a slight leak.

I am glad you sorted it but I am very surprised that it was the water Pump making the gear changes bad. But these cars are complicated so who knows. the end result is good though.

The cars have a mapped thermostat which was new to me, they have a heater in them to open and close when the ECU demands it to (kind of), and the water pump is also mapped so it can only run when the cars wants it to.

Complicated but quite effective.

Anyway good result so happy days!

Which specialist did you use if you dont mind me asking..
Yeah, the new pump I got was a metal and the old one was plastic. The specialist was called Stuttgart and I find them to be really helpful!
 
Yeah, the new pump I got was a metal and the old one was plastic. The specialist was called Stuttgart and I find them to be really helpful!
Hi mate
i am really confused as to how the water pump would have anything to do with the gear changes..do you have a link for this orange seal in the picture?
i think maybe over time the gearbox adjusted the gear changes due to new fluid so its improved the changes

there is a solenoid called the shift solenoid-this is what tends to go faulty and after replacing this is usually sorts out the rough shifting- cleaning valve body definitely smoothens the shifting too
 
Hi mate
i am really confused as to how the water pump would have anything to do with the gear changes..do you have a link for this orange seal in the picture?
i think maybe over time the gearbox adjusted the gear changes due to new fluid so its improved the changes

there is a solenoid called the shift solenoid-this is what tends to go faulty and after replacing this is usually sorts out the rough shifting- cleaning valve body definitely smoothens the shifting too
Sorry I should have posted this earlier but wanted to make sure it was working before I jumped to conclusions.. again.

I'm confused too, it must be very sensitive and temp related but I have to say shortly after posting the above it went back to rough shifting and longer to warm up.
Anyway, I think I found out what it was (the thermostat). I pulled off the top hose and had a look inside the thermostat but all looked fine, but looking really close around the back I could see a little bit of rubber which was flapping around attached on one side which is part of the seal. Bought a new thermostat and fitted it and it's back to being good again! the gear changes are now smoothing out (most noticeably when warming up) and of course it gets up to temperature much quicker.
I guess that the rubber bit flapping around would randomly seal and other times not, causing strange warm ups and poor shifting/running. Also draining the coolent when changing the pump may have moved it causing it to seat properly for a while then eventually moving again.
I dismissed the thermostat at first because its been like it since I bought it (2 years), it had been plugged in (with no faults) and also there is a lot of info out there on the web saying it's normal to be between 60 and just above 80 on the temp gauge but with mine now that's not the case. Now with the new thermostat it goes straight up quickly to just above 80 and stays there sometimes may drop a tiny amount but has dropped below 80.
I fitted the new thermostat about 2 weeks ago and so far so good the gear change has gone back to being good again, it is not perfect but it a lot better (and I mean a lot better) than it was. It also seems to be improving the more I drive it which is probably it adapting to proper warm up times. (whether that's the gearbox adapting or something else like fuel/throttle I don't know - because the difference was instant I would think it wasn't the gear box and something else just effecting it).
I hope it stays good!
The water pump wasn't a complete waste of money though, it was an easy job and it was leaking from underneath also the new one is metal rather than plastic.
Maybe one day I will clean the solenoids to see if it makes it absolutely perfect but breaking the electrical connector that you have to push out scares me a bit.
Attached is the photos of the broken thermostat and the rubber bit that I eventually pulled off. If you look closely at the first pic you can see at the back the rubber is distorted. The second pic is that bit of rubber.
Here is the link to the gasket the old one I had wasn't in a good state.
hope it helps
water pump gasket
 

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thanks for reply- i guess either way whatever caused the rough shift, its sorted now

my next job on mine is to do a proper flush on my gearbox

so undo the return line and start/turn off the car - so its lets 1L of trans fluid out from return then then pump in 1 litre etc until its totally clear
 

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