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px value, what do we think: cls63 estate

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DavidL

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s203 C55, x218 CLS63
DavidL said:
spotted this
2013 Black MERCEDES-BENZ CLS 5.5 CLS63 BlueEFFICIENCY AMG Shooting Brake 7G-Tronic Plus (s/s) 5dr for sale for £29500

says it is going to px at the end of the month. I can't help feeling the px value will be quite a long way from 30k. EvansHalshaw say 22400. I tend to find they are better than WBAC.

I wonder just how much movement there might be to still exceed the px offer.
It does look very nice and well specced.
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Looks lovely. His part exchange valuation may not be “book price”. If he’s sensitive to part exchange valuation then the salesperson may have set up the deal so that he’s paying “list price” on the new car, and maximising the part exhange valuation, ie switching discount for greater part exchange valuation. If it’s an expensive car, especially a new expensive car, then the available discount could easily be £8k.

I dare say there is some room to negotiate, but if there’s a flat refusal then you know why.
 
If your serious in purchasing, Why not give the seller a call? And see how he talks when it comes to pricing and gives you a feel what your up against..

Obviously if he’s tight fisted, Don’t think he’d come down thousands of pounds. I’ve had it myself previously on a few purchases, where the owners have said Just rather P/X to avoid any hassles or inconvenience. Which turned out to be true
 
It’s a nice spec car with very low mileage. Still has a MB warranty too :)

I’d have thought the p/x would be nearer £25k +/- depending on the overall deal offered. £29500 isn’t an unrealistic starting price considering everyone wants to get something off the price of a car being advertised.

Often cars like this will sell for a bit better than book to someone who values the condition or spec.

Let’s face it, even at the asking price it’s a lot of (low mileage/hardly used/almost new!) car relative to what it was new! :cool:

What’s an average spec/mileage CLS63 SB sell for by way of comparison? I’d have thought £20k+ easily. There’s one a year newer (‘14) with similar mileage in white being retailed by MB Sheffield for £36,750, but the black one has a better spec.

Go and see it, looks like a great car to me :thumb:
 
I don't believe that to be a Performance Pack optioned car. Standard brakes, no Alcantara insert on the steering wheel. I would check the full spec off the VIN
 
Yes, well spotted - maybe confused with the 557hp vs. Earlier bi-turbos 525 or whatever it was? No idea what the CLS63 was or when they changed over?

There’s some more pics here I just found:

MERCEDES BENZ CLS63 AMG V8 Edition One -

Looks like the previous selling garage were a bit confused too, although still undoubtedly a nice car :thumb:

Just seen the current owner has modded the rear diffuser (carbon?) not sure if there’s anything else different.
 
Thanks for the info all. Cazana thinks it has had 3 mots this year which is odd. 2013 appears to be the power change so 525/550 pre and 550/577 afterwards. This would be a 14 my so 550 is a stock car.
Can anyone run the vin? I seem to have lost that ability. Thanks
 
4 MoTs in 2018 if you include the number plate spacing failure.
 
DavidL said:
spotted this
2013 Black MERCEDES-BENZ CLS 5.5 CLS63 BlueEFFICIENCY AMG Shooting Brake 7G-Tronic Plus (s/s) 5dr for sale for £29500

says it is going to px at the end of the month. I can't help feeling the px value will be quite a long way from 30k. EvansHalshaw say 22400. I tend to find they are better than WBAC.

I wonder just how much movement there might be to still exceed the px offer.
It does look very nice and well specced.
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Evans Halshaw from my experience aren’t a bad outfit , they offered me £1k more than MB (or any other main brand dealer or WBAC ) were offering against a C63 and only marked my car up by £1k over what they paid me. You can get the cash same day for a fee of £15 or wait 36/48 hours under normal banking. They even ran me home after dropping my car off. Checking a car against EH is not a bad way to find out what the trade in value is (unless you have something unusual which doesn’t fit with their mainstream buying activities.
 
Personally think it's priced as if it was on a MB dealer forecourt at £29500! There are other out there from garages for similar prices. I would think a more realistic part ex would be around the £25k mark. Just my 2p worth.
 
I thought that ‘63 SBs were pretty rare, I only found one other with similar mileage (but lower spec) and it was over £7k more?

Advertised price is surely higher than the part ex value otherwise why would he bother. And if he was offered £25k in part ex and advertised at that amount you can guarantee people would be ringing up offering £22k etc anyway :D

You’ve got to start somewhere :)
 
Quite a rare beast but price looks on the toppy side to me for a private sale.

I think it would be definitely worth a chat with the seller if you’re genuinely interested though, can’t hurt anything.
 
Here's the spec if interested


Datacard
Identification number: WDD2189742A072638 8
Chassis
Sales designation: CLS 63 AMG
Order number: 0 2 537 14039
Delivery date: 25 10 2012
Paint code 1: 197U OBSIDIAN BLACK
Equipment: 501A EXCLUSIVE LEATHER - BLACK/ANTHRACITE
Engine no.: 157981 60 019327
Transmission: 722931 04 523698
Engine
Engine no.: 157981 60 019327
Major assembly variant: A 157 010 50 00
SA code
01N STEUERCODE WERK SINDELFINGEN/GRAZ
06A OIL OFFSET AMOUNT +600 ML OIL
16P ME VEHICLE
197U OBSIDIAN BLACK
1U2 SNOW GRID
205B OWNERS MANUAL AND SERVICE RECORD - ENGLISH
218 REAR-VIEW CAMERA
235 ACTIVE PARK ASSIST
240 LED DAYTIME RUNNING LIGHTS
249 INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR MIRROR,AUTOMATICALLY DIMMING
255B MB MOBILO WITH DSB AND GGD
275 MEMORY PACKAGE (DRIVER SEAT, STRG. COL., MIRROR)
283B AIRBAGLABLE - ENGLISH
287 THROUGH-LOADING FEATURE
291 PELVIS AIRBAG (PELVISBAG)
294 KNEE AIRBAG
305B HEAD UNIT LANGUAGE - BRITISH ENGLISH
335B INSTRUMENT CLUSTER/HU LANGUAGE - ENGLISH
347 EMERGENCY CALL SYSTEM ECALL EUROPE
401 FRONT SEAT CLIMATE CONTROL
414 ELECTRIC TILT/SLIDE SUNROOF IN GLASS VERSION
427 AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION 7-SPEED
432 DYNAMICS SEAT,FRONT LEFT AND RIGHT
461 INSTRUMENT WITH MILES IND. AND ENGLISH LEGEND
477 TIRE PRESSURE LOSS WARNER
488 CHASSIS WITH STEEL/AIR SUSPENSION
500A EXCLUSIVE LEATHER TRIM
501A EXCLUSIVE LEATHER - BLACK/ANTHRACITE
502 3 YEARS OF MAP UPDATES FREE OF CHARGE
518 UNIVERSAL COMMUNICATIONS INTERFACE (UCI)
527 COMAND DVD APS WITH NAVIGATION
537 DIGITAL RADIO STANDARD DAB (DIGI. AUDIO BROADC.)
537L GREAT BRITAIN AND NORTHERN IRELAND
551 BASIC ANTITHEFT ALARM SYSTEM (ATA)
581 AUTOMATIC CLIMATE CONTROL
5XXL EUROPE
608 AUTOMATIC HIGH BEAM SWITCH (IHC)
61U ROOF LINER MICROFIBRE BLACK
621 HEADLAMP WITH ILS, LEFT-HAND TRAFFIC
666 PRODUCT PROT.F.TRANSPORT VEH. W/O TIE-DOWN HOOKS
669 SPARE WHEEL / FOLDING WHEEL
670 RESIDUAL ENGINE HEAT UTILIZATION (MRA)
772 AMG STYLING PACKAGE-FRONT SPOILER, SIDE SKIRT
797 AMG 19" SPOKED WHEELS WITH MIXED TIRES
803 218____ - 20071009 - YOM 12/1
803 157.9__ - 20110606 - YOM 22/1
810 PREMIUM SOUND SYSTEM
817 SIREN BRACKET FOR INCREASED THEFT PROTECTION
840 DARK TINTED GLASS
875 HEATED SCREEN WASH SYSTEM
877 AMBIENCE ILLUMINATION
882 SENSOR SYSTEM AND ANTITHEFT ALARM SYSTEM
885 HIGHTEN THEFT PROTECTION
889 KEYLESS - GO
89V SPEED- + LOADINDEX ZR19 XL+ZR19 XL
915 FUEL TANK WITH GREATER CAPACITY - VOLUME 2
923 OUTPUT INCREASE OF ENGINES
928 EXHAUST GAS CLEANING WITH EURO 5 TECHNOLOGY
966 COC PAPER EURO 5 TECH. W/O REGIST. CERT. PART 2
989 IDENTIFICATION LABEL UNDER WINDSHIELD
A20 DIRECT START
A21 SHIFT BY WIRE
A88 VS-I VALVE BODY ASSEMBLY WITH VGS 3
A89 REDUCED-FRICTION
B03 DIRECT START / ECO START/STOP FUNCTION
B06 BRAKE CALIPERS PAINTED SILVER
B12 WHEEL REPLACEMENT TOOL
B20 LOAD SECURING NET BEHIND REAR SEATS
F218 SERIES PRODUCTION 218
FX SPECIAL VERSION
G931 TRANSMISSION CODE VERSION 31
GV AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION REINFORCED
H73 TRIM PIECES - CARBON HIGH GLOSS
HA REAR AXLE
J1A NAT2 WITH OPTIMIZED DSM
J81 JUNE RELEASE
K10 SOFTWARE CONTROL FOR STATIC CURVE ILLUMINATION
K11 ADAPTIVE STOP LIGHT FLASHING
K14 CONTROL CODE FOR SERVICE INTERVAL 20000 KM
M157 V8 GASOLINE ENGINE M157 - AMG
M55 CAPACITY 5,5 LITRE
P24 KEYLESS-GO PACKAGE HIGH
P54 THEFT PROTECTION PACKAGE
R RIGHT-HAND STEERING
R01 SUMMER TIRES
U01 REAR BELT STATUS INDICATION
U18 AUTOMATIC CHILD SEAT RECOGNITATION (AKSE)
U72 DVD PLAYER WITH REGIONAL CODE 2, EUROPE, JAPAN
VL FRONT AXLE HALF, LEFT
VR FRONT AXLE HALF, RIGHT
Other
EU approval date: 20120612
EU approval number: e1*2007/46*0485*07
 
That car could be being sold by a trader masquerading as a private seller. Three MoTs this year? Why on earth would a private seller do that? Traders, however, put new MoTs on cars when they put them up for sale... Ask if he has a V5 in his name, and how long he's had the car. At best not long, I think; if he's not a trader, he'll have bought it in June or July 2018, and put a new MoT on himself just to be sure. Why is he selling it so soon, though?

I wonder how much he would want for this one:

2014/14 Mercedes-Benz CLS63 AMG 5.5 Blue F ( s/s ) Shooting Brake 7G-T Plus | eBay

which has been for sale for ages? Either BobbyDazzler is right about the stated p/x offer, or the vendor is telling fibs about it.

If you're interested, give him a call and discuss it. If it's plain you're a genuine buyer, not some tosser looking to make a quick buck, and he takes you seriously, he'll have to drop his price if he actually wants to sell it; this is a bad time of year to sell a car.
 
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I still haven’t seen any with such low mileage or good spec for a lower price though?

The red one is an unusual colour but still higher mileage and lower spec. And it’s £2.5k more?

As said I’m sure there’s room for negotiation, if he wants to sell it. The CLS SB is both an unusual and niche car, which works in its favour and also against it. You either want one or you don’t - I like the rarity and the looks are appealing but the lack of load space puts me into an E-class estate. They didn’t sell many of them, which demonstrates the appeal for them - but at less than £30k perhaps a number of enthusiasts will see it as a good proposition.

If I could live with the load space of the SB and didn’t already have my E63 I’d certainly consider it. Private sale wouldn’t put me off at all, especially as it’s got a MB warranty. I’m sure you could arrange an inspection instead if you were seriously contemplating buying it :cool:
 
E55BOF said:
That car could be being sold by a trader masquerading as a private seller. Three MoTs this year? Why on earth would a private seller do that? Traders, however, put new MoTs on cars when they put them up for sale... Ask if he has a V5 in his name, and how long he's had the car. At best not long, I think; if he's not a trader, he'll have bought it in June or July 2018, and put a new MoT on himself just to be sure. Why is he selling it so soon, though

And here's the black one when last sold, some time (June or July, I think) earlier this year:

MERCEDES BENZ CLS63 AMG V8 Edition One -
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I don’t think it’s a trader selling it. The MOTs were carried out last summer. Strange they were done a month apart (especially as the last two passed were both without any faults or advisories) - maybe the garage who sold it last wanted to do their own MOT pre-sale for peace of mind? Or the person who last owned it mislaid the test printout?

Who knows, it’s being sold now with 3k miles more on the clock and the price is £6.5k lower so doesn’t seem likely that someone has bought it looking to make a profit.
 
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