Lorrys overtaking each other on Dual Carriageways

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That the problem is you? Yes


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You're the problem, but not for long. In the next few years not only will lorries travel in convoy with no overtaking but pretty soon after, they'll have no drivers either. But you'll have brought it all on yourselves due to the same arrogance & selfish attitudes we see in your driving every day. If you won't change, technology will change for you, roll on the revolution!

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You're the problem, but not for long. In the next few years not only will lorries travel in convoy with no overtaking but pretty soon after, they'll have no drivers either. But you'll have brought it all on yourselves due to the same arrogance & selfish attitudes we see in your driving every day. If you won't change, technology will change for you, roll on the revolution!

Russ

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I’m not generally the reactionary type but HGV drivers, in my experience, are the most aggressive vehicles on the road due to their size and I think they pull this overtaking trick on purpose; “I’m doing 60mph so every other mug can too”, the amount of time this happens on the A1 is ridiculous.

Since when did Audi start making HGVs?
 
Sorry to say this ......the average British (car) driver is too polite and the average lorry diver does not give a F$%K. Lorry drivers just pull out because they are bigger.

However dash cams are the great equaliser and soon..... all new car will have them....OH boy,..... lorry drivers (and me..Im a speeder) take care.
 
I posted here many moons ago about an HGV that decided to start his overtake on his fellow HGV where the M26 starts at the M25. As the M26 becomes the M20, he was still overtaking the same HGV!! The queue in the outside lane behind this guy was absolutely massive (I would estimate, several miles). This knight of the road was in a British Registered Eddie Stobart truck. I can only guess the name on his truck, I am assuming that most of us caught in his self created, tailback could have come up with a more appropriate name for it. Starting with C and ending with T.

As said earlier the standard of driving required for these things is minimal these days. The standard of intellect to not recognise that you are causing a queue half the length of Kent must be into the minus scale.

I support our HGV drivers and realise that they a difficult job, surrounded by stupid motorists, but they still need to help themselves sometimes and this is not the way to do it. They must know at the start of their ill judged pass, that it is just not going to work, without the inside truck slowing (which they never ever do). So why do they do it?

Myself living in Dover .....one day those in Government will finally have the brainwave to keep the lorries on the train from the Channel Tunnel have depots up the country to get off at and save all the dirty air from getting worse and save lives?
 
Myself living in Dover .....one day those in Government will finally have the brainwave to keep the lorries on the train from the Channel Tunnel have depots up the country to get off at and save all the dirty air from getting worse and save lives?

Yeh. I shouldn’t earn a living, very selfish of me.


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Yeh. I shouldn’t earn a living, very selfish of me.


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Yes how dare you, be more conciderate to those that could have planned better and left earlier. [emoji23]

Don't get me wrong I've been stuck behind lorries overtaking and that doesn't bother me, it's the pointless level pegging. [emoji49]

Solution?
1. There should be some sort of etiquette to allow lorries to pass safely, that both car and truck drivers adhere to.
2. They are allow to speed, say 5mph faster if overtaking. Lane position and radar cruise data could be used to validate. [emoji851]


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I once rented a small one with a rear load lifter and driving on the motorway for a mere hour was hard work due to trying to keep the momentum and feeling the immense drag once you were not near a vehicle in front. When there were no cars in sight behind, I tried an overtake on a larger lorry, only to find myself slowing down as I pulled out then returned back behind it with my tail behind my legs. I wouldn't have the stamina and endurance to be a lorry driver - respect!
Having seen this happening on numerous occasions, should we assume that there are hundreds of lorry drivers on our roads who are also at the wheel of a large vehicle for the first time and aren’t aware of this simple bit of physics?

Regarding the posts about being held up on the A1, in my experience it’s car drivers as much to blame as lorry drivers for holding up outside lane traffic.
 
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I posted here many moons ago about an HGV that decided to start his overtake on his fellow HGV where the M26 starts at the M25. As the M26 becomes the M20, he was still overtaking the same HGV!! The queue in the outside lane behind this guy was absolutely massive (I would estimate, several miles).
Not unusual for the M26. Where is Plod when this happens, someone must be seeing it on camera.
 
Having seen this happening on numerous occasions, should we assume that there are hundreds of lorry drivers on our roads who are also at the wheel of a large vehicle for the first time and aren’t aware of this simple bit of physics?

Regarding the posts about being held up on the A1, in my experience it’s car drivers as much to blame as lorry drivers for holding up outside lane traffic.
Agree on the M8 in the morning, it's more often slow ass car drivers making lorries have to overtake......

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Truck drivers hate braking as it loses their momentum, uses more fuel and takes longer to reach their destination.

Doesn't make it right but it helps to understand rather than blindly blaming them.
That sounds right, but why does lorries on the inside need to brake to go 1-2 mph less, thereby allowing the overtaking lorry to pass? They simply have to adjust their cruise control a little or take their foot up on the accelerator a little, i.e. decelerate, not brake.

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That sounds right, but why does lorries on the inside need to brake to go 1-2 mph less, thereby allowing the overtaking lorry to pass? They simply have to adjust their cruise control a little or take their foot up on the accelerator a little, i.e. decelerate, not brake.

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It takes two to tango and that is never truer than here. Both HGV drivers are aware that they are causing large queues to form behind them and neither give a hoot for your journey or it's purpose. Not once at any point will either one think "what of he/she actually needs to get past us?".

They are not all the same and some are still considerate and take driving as a profession but most that I see now do not give a hoot for anybody apart from themselves. I live next to the a249 in Kent. The road and verges are strewn (and I do mean strewn) with lemonade bottles full of wee, tossed from passing HGV's. The local layby's have all been closed mostly down to the Council and Highways England refusing to pick up the tab of cleaning up tons of excrement and litter deposited (in the main) by HGV drivers. "we have nowhere to go" is the cry of the HGV driver when questioned next to their pile of pooh. How about the lorry park on the M20 that sits empty along with the Lorry Park on the M2? "Why should we have to pay to stop over?" is the protest. Strangely when I need an overnight stay on business, neither me or my company think it a good idea to crap in the bushes or people's gardens, preferring instead to use hotels and pay for them.

The system is flawed. Where HGV companies seem to take the money for the freight but not give any to the driver for hauling that freight. In Kent now, we have local councils clamping HGV's that are illegally parked on Motorway Hard Shoulders, usually surround by steaming piles of human excrement, porn mags and other detritus. IN some cases they are chasing up the firms most of whom state that they do pay their drivers overnight fees, but the drivers pocket the money and park where they can. Last week we saw three people killed when their car drove into the rear of an HGV parked up on the Hard Shoulder while the driver slept, this is a spot that has drawn regular comments from locals fed up with the mess and noise.

The entire system needs reviewing rather than punishing "all".

No I do not hate HGV drivers and yes I do know how our food etc is delivered. What I am saying is that the entire system is now outdated and outmoded and needs to be refreshed.
 
I've generally found that if you show lorry drivers some courtesy by letting them out, or not knobbing in front of them when merging from the left, then it's repaid many times over further up the road. A bit of a generalisation I'll give you, but give me a lorry driver any day over some self important car driver who thinks and tells the world, that they can do nothing wrong.

Barely, a day passes when I don't think 'hmmm, I could have done that better' - after making some clumsy manoeuvre. Or perhaps that's just me being a poor driver whilst many here think their driving is nigh on perfect.

Executive brand syndrome?

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I haven't read all the debate on this post so not sure how the arguing is going LOL....

There is one exception when the two lorries are stuck side by side..... If I'm the car directly behind the lorry over taking, when he final gets past I have miles of clear road ahead for a rightfully good blast :D


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It takes two to tango and that is never truer than here. Both HGV drivers are aware that they are causing large queues to form behind them and neither give a hoot for your journey or it's purpose. Not once at any point will either one think "what of he/she actually needs to get past us?".

They are not all the same and some are still considerate and take driving as a profession but most that I see now do not give a hoot for anybody apart from themselves. I live next to the a249 in Kent. The road and verges are strewn (and I do mean strewn) with lemonade bottles full of wee, tossed from passing HGV's. The local layby's have all been closed mostly down to the Council and Highways England refusing to pick up the tab of cleaning up tons of excrement and litter deposited (in the main) by HGV drivers. "we have nowhere to go" is the cry of the HGV driver when questioned next to their pile of pooh. How about the lorry park on the M20 that sits empty along with the Lorry Park on the M2? "Why should we have to pay to stop over?" is the protest. Strangely when I need an overnight stay on business, neither me or my company think it a good idea to crap in the bushes or people's gardens, preferring instead to use hotels and pay for them.

The system is flawed. Where HGV companies seem to take the money for the freight but not give any to the driver for hauling that freight. In Kent now, we have local councils clamping HGV's that are illegally parked on Motorway Hard Shoulders, usually surround by steaming piles of human excrement, porn mags and other detritus. IN some cases they are chasing up the firms most of whom state that they do pay their drivers overnight fees, but the drivers pocket the money and park where they can. Last week we saw three people killed when their car drove into the rear of an HGV parked up on the Hard Shoulder while the driver slept, this is a spot that has drawn regular comments from locals fed up with the mess and noise.

The entire system needs reviewing rather than punishing "all".

No I do not hate HGV drivers and yes I do know how our food etc is delivered. What I am saying is that the entire system is now outdated and outmoded and needs to be refreshed.
Why don't you tell us how you really feel?! [emoji6]

I had no idea about the scale of the problem in Kent, having stayed in Ashford frequently during the past four years. I find it hard to imagine that any road user growing up in Britain would willingly take a dump and throw bottles of urine on verges. Having a pee there is totally acceptable in my view so long as not parked on a dangerous location. Hold it in until a parking area comes in view. And if not, be better organised and go when you can, i.e. earlier, not when absolutely bursting.

Parking on the hard shoulder has become increasingly deathly because of HGVs. Either ploughing into the back of one or vice versa. Like all large machinery, they are incredibly dangerous to man and should be handled very diligently with the clearest priority to never endanger any human. That includes not speeding.

In Ashford itself more and more streets are being used as illegal lorry parks because either the operator wants to save money or the driver does. It causes traffic bottlenecks, takes parking away from paying residents, is an eyesore and reduces visibility when trying to get past them. The council makes efforts to reduce this with double yellows, special signs etc. Again an additional cost that must be borne by residents through increased taxes and rates or reductions of services as their budgets get stretched.

In the 80s for a while I used to drive professionally in London and I had the same "me first" mentality. At the time I wasn't far from the breadline so a "dog eat dog" no sense for community, mentality managed to work its way in my head. It was not a pleasant place to be. So I get why some HGV drivers drive badly, rather than lethally.

On the other hand HGVs do not deserve any more respect, in my book, than other drivers for companies or self-employed who ferry things around, like taxi drivers. Frequently in London when a taxi wanted to do a U-turn without waiting, his cry would be "I'm grafting!". Well, you don't think the rest of us are too? The one vehicles that got defence were proper buses, emergency vehicles of course, and generally council vehicles. Basically ones that were there, working for society, not for themselves. Also, anyone having to travel to work is also "grafting" and it is just as important in their car, on their bike out walking, as someone is in a lorry. F*ck the size. I've seen how the "my vehicle is bigger than yours" mentality works in India and it is not pretty.

So yeah, let's try and agree that all road users are equal and deserve equal consideration. To this who say they haven't time - If you're in a hurry this time, learn to be better organised and don't leave yourself short of time in future. Life is short enough without endangering or severely inconveniencing fellow road users and citizens.

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This is exactly the nonesense that is average speed cameras, its a 50 zone and the truck is driving at 47mph you go past it doing 50 mph and its pure nerve racking especially when its raining and your blinded by spray for quite a while its dangerous. Personally i like to accelerate when overtaking so im in the blind spot, getting sprayed on etc for a short a time as possible
But if it's an average zone you can zip up to 60 mph get past and then slow down to 49 for a while. You'll still maintain your average speed or pretty close to it.
 
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But if it's an average zone you can zip up to 60 mph get past and then slow down to 49 for a while. You'll still maintain your average speed or pretty close to it.
I want an app on my car that shows me where I can drive up to, to retain my average.... That would be very handy.

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But if it's an average zone you can zip up to 60 mph get past and then slow down to 49 for a while. You'll still maintain your average speed or pretty close to it.

There will also be a margin for error.
 

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