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Alfa 4C

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Drove a new (25 miles when I got in) 4C Coupe this morning for about 25 miles. Spider is a showroom car only.

Ride on 18/19" wheels was much better than expected. The damping is very good, you get the go kart feel without any crashiness. Yes, the really bad roads are not fun, but they are tolerable.

Power is excellent, engine is powerful, very revvy and plenty responsive, even in normal mode (had to stay there as car had less than 200 miles, during which no other mode is selectable). I was amazed how little lag there is, it feels almost supercharged. Fantastic little unit.

Exhaust noise is loud but monotone -- a bit of loud fart sort of sound. Not musical, just noisy. A bit boomy too. In fact, I would say it is sometimes annoying. Unfortunately, there is no switch to soften it. There is no variation in tone or tune, and no delight when you go through the revs.

For me, steering is the worst part of the car. Heavy at parking speeds, but very little feel, if any. It also hunts out cambers all over the place. As a result, you get surprised by the steering's sometimes violent and unexpected reactions when you are least expecting it. A real shame about the steering. If it were better, it will be a stonking car. I wonder whether the problem is the very light front end, and lack of power steering, which might mean less frenzy. Having said that, once you are travelling over 50mph, the steering does settle down, but it doesn't offer any feedback, nor is it especially sharp or accurate. The weighting doesn't seem to change much either once you get going. All very surprising for unassisted steering, it feels like there is a lot of masking and inconsistency. Perhaps one can get used to it.

Seats are firm, provide good support and are comfortable. Range of adjustment fine for me. Steering come in/out and up/down. Easy to find perfect driving position. Brake pedal is floor hinged which is a lovely touch. Pedals made of metal too.

Rear visibility is poor due to having to look through rear window and engine cover. Spider much better as no engine cover glass in the way.

Build quality is impressive. No rattles, no bits falling off or loose. Plastics are a bit thin, HVAC controls are last century, stalks are a bit flimsy, but overall, well put together. No complaints there. I was very pleasantly surprised.

The roof is also very thought out -- leagues ahead of any Lotus roof. Once on, it is sturdy, and attached tightly. Not fiddly, but there are a few steps. Impressive piece of design and engineering; you could easily describe it as Germanic.

Road noise on main roads at 70mph is high, worse on rough concrete roads, where you get a sort of deafening roar. A sort of echo chamber.

UK prices for a 4C spider starts at GBP59,500. In my modest(ish) spec, it comes to 63,500. No waiting list at all, so clearly not huge demand.

A tempting proposition. The one worry I have is steering.

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I'm paying less than £1000 more than that for the SL400 with designo paint.

Is it worth the same as an SL? It just doesn't look like £60K worth of car to me.
 
I'm paying less than £1000 more than that for the SL400 with designo paint.

Is it worth the same as an SL? It just doesn't look like £60K worth of car to me.

not comparable, IMO

4C has carbon tub, is very light and very basic

an attractive proposition for me.

however, it does not feel like a 60k car
 
I guess it's like trying to compare a Lotus to an SL, completely different thing.

£60K looks steep though.
 
Hi,
The only way they get that performance out of such a small engined car - is by keeping the weight down to a bare minimum.
This is achieved by minimal gizmos and exotic materials.
You end up with an expensive car but not much to show for your money!
I think it is a nice looking vehicle but I would not spend that much money on one - much rather a new C63s coupe or a Cayman GT4 or even a Lotus!
Cheers
Steve
 
A slightly different question is which would be worth more in 5 or even 10 years time? I would guess the Alfa as like it or not a Mercedes is a mass produced vehicle by comparison.
 
Hi,
To me it is like a modern day VX220 Turbo
A 2005 one of these is worth around £15,000 these days.
Cheers
Steve
 
I thought long and hard about a 4C a few years ago, but as shallow as it sounds I couldn't get away with those awful headlights, the cost for a 4 pot is also very high, I know this is offset by the low weight of the carbon tub but it's still a lot for a small engined car. I thought the Spider was getting the nicer lights? I eventually ordered a F-Type V6S and never regretted it, especially once the reviews started coming in for the Alfa. I still think they look great (apart from the headlights) but think the negatives outweigh the positives.
 
I thought long and hard about a 4C a few years ago, but as shallow as it sounds I couldn't get away with those awful headlights, the cost for a 4 pot is also very high, I know this is offset by the low weight of the carbon tub but it's still a lot for a small engined car. I thought the Spider was getting the nicer lights? I eventually ordered a F-Type V6S and never regretted it, especially once the reviews started coming in for the Alfa. I still think they look great (apart from the headlights) but think the negatives outweigh the positives.

Well summed up - the F-type is also a great choice!
Cheers
Steve
 
It's similar money to a new Lotus Exige/ Evora, which is probably a more realistic comparison.
 
I thought long and hard about a 4C a few years ago, but as shallow as it sounds I couldn't get away with those awful headlights, the cost for a 4 pot is also very high, I know this is offset by the low weight of the carbon tub but it's still a lot for a small engined car. I thought the Spider was getting the nicer lights? I eventually ordered a F-Type V6S and never regretted it, especially once the reviews started coming in for the Alfa. I still think they look great (apart from the headlights) but think the negatives outweigh the positives.

the ugly LED headlights are an expensive 2350 quid option

standard Bi-Xenon headlights are much better

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It's similar money to a new Lotus Exige/ Evora, which is probably a more realistic comparison.

Evora (around 300kg heavier) starts at 72k.

Exige roadster (around 200kg heavier) starts at 60k, so comparable.
 
Had a sit in one (didn't get to drive it) at Auto Italia earlier in the year. Interior was nice, albeit the sill is wide so it's not the easiest thing to get in and out of.

Too rich for my money however, you can get an SLK55 for what the Alfa costs, to my mind the SLK is a lot more car (but then I would say that).

I've also read that the steering isn't great on anything other than billiard table smooth roads, which isn't you need considering the state of most of the roads in this country.

I really wanted to like it, but it's not made it onto my shopping list I'm afraid. I need to win the lottery so that I can afford an 8C :devil:

Cheers,

Gaz
 
A tempting proposition. The one worry I have is steering.

Thanks for posting - great write up. The only thing I can offer, and the first time anybody has heard me say this on here - I wouldn't use my own money to buy it. Who knows what the market will have to say in a couple of years. In saying that, if you have the cash and want to add it to a collection, I can't imagine a better choice for that class of car.


I think it is a nice looking vehicle but I would not spend that much money on one - much rather a new C63s coupe or a Cayman GT4 or even a Lotus!

Steve

GT4 :thumb:


Hi,
To me it is like a modern day VX220 Turbo

Exactly, although not yet the subject of a Wheeler Dealer botch job.



A buddy of mine has got one. It sits in his garage with his immaculate Delta Evo and 1985 Sud. An interesting mix.


I had a Sprint Veloce and a 33 in the 80s and adored them both. Still in love with boxers now.


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Alfa should have brought out the prototype Brera (saw it at the Goodwood Festival of Speed many years ago) instead of the much watered down version that eventually appeared. That looked the dogs....
 
UK prices for a 4C spider starts at GBP59,500. In my modest(ish) spec, it comes to 63,500. No waiting list at all, so clearly not huge demand.

Sixty big one's!!! Carbon tub or not I don't see the value even as an ex Alfa owner and somewhat fanboy. And good luck with the Alfa dealers, dire is the only way I can sum them up, also one has got to wonder about deprecation. Now, I do see the attraction but hell there sure has to be better buys than the 4C or better way to spend 60k?
 
Exhaust noise is loud but monotone -- a bit of loud fart sort of sound. Not musical, just noisy. A bit boomy too. In fact, I would say it is sometimes annoying. Unfortunately, there is no switch to soften it. There is no variation in tone or tune, and no delight when you go through the revs.

I followed one the other day and I thought the sound was pretty disappointing (I had dropped the windows as normal when seeing anything interesting ... my wife thinks I'm mad :D). Just sounded like it had a blown exhaust :(
 
I take it you've taken delivery of the Spyder what's your opinion of it?
 
agree it is too expensive by at least 10k.

turns out that steering issue can be sorted by well known Alfa specialist

depreciation will be horrendous too.
 

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