Another PCN question

[AMGeed]

<div class="bbWrapper">So as not to derail another members thread, thought I'd open another and ask general opinions on the following scenario.<br /> <br /> I'm expecting a PCN anytime after parking on a single yellow line close to my grandsons school last week. Due to an accident (not me) I arrived late, the school car park was closed for resurfacing that day and that was the only spot vacant. Lots of other cars parked there too and just as I locked the car to go in and collect him, a camera van drove slowly past. Too late I thought and carried on. On coming back to the car, the camera van made another slow pass, obviously recording all the misdemeanours.<br /> <br /> Yesterday I walked the road from end to end, and there isn't a single notice showing the times parking is either allowed or not allowed. There is one where double yellows are visible and directly outside the school gates. Am I raising my hopes falsely by observing zero signage?<br /> <br /> My council charge £70 for a parking charge notice, reduced to £35 if paid within 14 days.</div>

 

[Deleted member 55947]

<div class="bbWrapper">If there are no signs you should be alright. I suspect the camera car was parading up and down looking for parkers on double yellows or zigzags</div>

 

[markjay]

<div class="bbWrapper">In a controlled area, single yellow lines follow the same times as the residents parking (unless marked otherwise).<br /> <br /> So if there's no sign for the single yellow line, then look for the parking restrictions times on a sign in any near-by residents parking bay.</div>

 

[markjay]

<div class="bbWrapper">BTW, the camera vans check also for other offences such as expired VED, MOT, etc, so a 'go slow' does not necessarily indicate that they were scanning the cars for parking offences.</div>

 

[AMGeed]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 19590" data-quote="markjay" data-source="post: 2833832" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=2833832" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-2833832">markjay said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> BTW, the camera vans check also for other offences such as expired VED, MOT, etc, so a 'go slow' does not necessarily indicate that they were scanning the cars for parking offences. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> I am hoping so. No resident parking bays in the street at all. An area at one end with parking bays for all in white and a notice giving the times and restrictions (2hrs max). That is not referring to any yellow lines on the road in different spots where no notices are shown.<br /> <br /> Time will tell.</div>

 

[Teego]

<div class="bbWrapper">Highway code:<br /> You <b>MUST NOT</b> wait or park on yellow lines during the times of operation shown on nearby time plates (or zone entry signs if in a Controlled Parking Zone) – see <a href="https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/traffic-signs" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">‘Traffic signs’</a> and <a href="https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/road-markings" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">‘Road markings’</a>. Double yellow lines indicate a prohibition of waiting at any time even if there are no upright signs. You <b>MUST NOT</b> wait or park, or stop to set down and pick up passengers, on school entrance markings (see <a href="https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/road-markings" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">‘Road markings’</a>) when upright signs indicate a prohibition of stopping.<br /> <br /> <b>Law <a href="http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1984/27/section/5" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">RTRA sects 5</a> &amp; <a href="http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1984/27/section/8" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">8</a></b><br /> <br /> And this:<br /> <a href="https://www.sea.co.uk/transport/products/roadflow-vision-visionplus/" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">ROADflow Vision &amp; Vision+ | Patrolling enforcement vehicle</a></div>

 

[Deleted member 65149]

<div class="bbWrapper">There are quite a few Controlled Parking Zones around the country where time restriction signs are only posted at the boundaries to the zones. Is it possible that the road where you parked is within such a zone?</div>

 

[AMGeed]

<div class="bbWrapper">^ I don't believe so, and the absence of a single notice along the complete road leads me to think I may have a case should a ticket be issued.<br /> I will take a look next school run and check the only other road that could have such a notice.</div>

 

[Deleted member 6183]

<div class="bbWrapper">Maybe, maybe not.<br /> <br /> Nobody really cares.</div>

 

[AMGeed]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 6183" data-quote="DrFeelgood" data-source="post: 2833907" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=2833907" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-2833907">DrFeelgood said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Maybe, maybe not.<br /> <br /> Nobody really cares. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> ?? Are you on the sauce again?</div>

 

[Deleted member 6183]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 21572" data-quote="AMGeed" data-source="post: 2833917" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=2833917" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-2833917">AMGeed said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> ?? Are you on the sauce again? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>BBQ</div>

 

[AMGeed]

<div class="bbWrapper">^ Nuff said<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></div>

 

[SW18]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 21572" data-quote="AMGeed" data-source="post: 2833876" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=2833876" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-2833876">AMGeed said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> ^ I don't believe so, and the absence of a single notice along the complete road leads me to think I may have a case should a ticket be issued.<br /> I will take a look next school run and check the only other road that could have such a notice. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Are you sure it’s not a CPZ, there are loads of them now. I find them quite useful - round my way, there are lots of streets with single yellow lines and, there being no plates to show hours of operation, most drivers avoid parking on them so as to avoid risk of a fine. This leaves me with lots of parking options! It’s just a matter of going online and checking the CPZ map to see what hours the zone operates. If you google “[name of borough] CPZ map” you can quickly check. <br /> <br /> Of course, maybe the camera van came round again to admire your new set of wheels!</div>

 

[Petrol Pete]

<div class="bbWrapper">I know two likely lads who work nights and park their vans on a road outside some flats , these blokes have simply been removing the signs from the posts adjacent to the road . Every time the notices are fixed back up they simply remove them and throw them away.<br /> I would tell you what the signs say but they are never up there long enough to read them !<br /> <br /> As far as I am aware they have yet to be fined. Previously they both joined a 'working mans club' type of establishment near where they live (cost £20/year or something like that) so they could leave their vans in the car park all day while they slept, they would pop in once a week for a pint to show their faces (it was a crap hole) . The committee wanted to get rid of them but that dragged on until the place was taken over by a swanky gym franchise...which lead to them to moving in to the sign removal business.</div>

 

[Dave Richardson]

<div class="bbWrapper">As a former local government parking development officer &amp; yes I have driven the camera car on a couple of occasions during staff shortage times. The camera system switches on &amp; off (enforce or non enforce) as it approaches an enforcement area which has been recognised by GPS. In the case of single or double yellow parking restriction &amp; it's legal for a blue badge holder to park in that area, the camera cannot see if a blue badge has been placed &amp; on display in the window therefore, a PCN cannot be issued to you if parked within a single or double yellow restricted area. <br /> <br /> If you were parked on zig zag lines prior to a school entrance or pedestrian crossing or marked bus stop you stand no chance of getting away with it, but in the circumstances that you've described I wouldn't worry at all</div>

 

[Petrol Pete]

<div class="bbWrapper">^^^ I am a bit confused. There appears to be no point in switching the camera on if the system has to assume every single car on a single or double yellow line has a blue badge that the camera cannot read ?? it will only 'get' those on zig zags etc ? Is that the case or am I being a bit thicker than usual ?<img src="/styles/mbclub/smilies/dk.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":dk:" title="Dk :dk:" data-shortname=":dk:" /></div>

 

[Dave Richardson]

<div class="bbWrapper">Hello,<br /> Zig zag lines have different type of parking contravention in that the traffic order states NO stopping at any time(not no parking)<br /> <br /> It's not illegal for a blue badge holder to park on single or double yellow lines providing the badge is correctly displayed &amp; the camera system is not automatically activated when the camera car approaches a single or double line restriction is in place.<br /> <br /> It's only activated at zig zag lines, bus stops or of course bus only lanes. the footage is reviewed &amp; a white exemption list is in place for taxis carrying a recognised taxi plate, emergency vehicles, breakdown or bus maintenance vehciles.<br /> <br /> stop worrying my friend</div>

 

[AMGeed]

<div class="bbWrapper">I don't hold a blue badge so that rules that excuse out<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /><br /> Nothing in the post so far and reading some of the replies gives me hope I won't get an early Xmas present from the council.<br /> <br /> Going through the Borough of Pooles Parking restricitions PDF the only thing I have found is<br /> <b>TALBOT DRIVE. south-east from a point 16 metres north-east of its south-western extremity for a distance of 48 metres in a north-easterly direction </b><br /> Above road restricted from parking between 8am - 10am and 2pm to 4pm. In other words drop off and pick up at the school.<br /> <br /> Absolutely no signage, and I'm not in the habit of carrying a compass to see where the hell north east and south west is on that road.</div>

 

[SW18]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 21572" data-quote="AMGeed" data-source="post: 2834491" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=2834491" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-2834491">AMGeed said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I don't hold a blue badge so that rules that excuse out<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /><br /> Nothing in the post so far and reading some of the replies gives me hope I won't get an early Xmas present from the council.<br /> <br /> Going through the Borough of Pooles Parking restricitions PDF the only thing I have found is<br /> <b>TALBOT DRIVE. south-east from a point 16 metres north-east of its south-western extremity for a distance of 48 metres in a north-easterly direction </b><br /> Above road restricted from parking between 8am - 10am and 2pm to 4pm. In other words drop off and pick up at the school.<br /> <br /> Absolutely no signage, and I'm not in the habit of carrying a compass to see where the hell north east and south west is on that road. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Alas, here is the streetview image of the CPZ plate at the entrance to Talbot Drive.<br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.google.com/maps/place/Talbot+Dr,+Poole,+UK/@50.7458736,-1.9076343,3a,27.2y,166.37h,92.62t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sNG923ZKThUJAW5OvdZjONw!2e0!3e11!7i16384!8i8192!4m5!3m4!1s0x4873a181cd6cd37f:0x8f7632e3256253b3!8m2!3d50.7443605!4d-1.9081978" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">Google Maps</a><br /> <br /> That's why they don't have to put up individual signs along the pavement next to the yellow line.<br /> <br /> Maybe Dave's reassurance in post 17 means you are still ok though!</div>

 

[AMGeed]

<div class="bbWrapper">Well spotted. I didn't quite walk as far as that sign as it had double yellows past the parking bay and wrongly assumed the sign was a no waiting at any time notice<img src="/styles/mbclub/smilies/doh.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":doh:" title="Doh :doh:" data-shortname=":doh:" />.<br /> <br /> How is a driver supposed to know there is a waiting restriction at the other end of the road, at least 500 years away if you didn't pass that sign on the way to the school?<br /> Entering Talbot Drive from Mossley Avenue means you don't get to see that sign.<br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.google.com/maps/place/Talbot+Dr,+Poole/@50.745134,-1.9078879,3a,75y,194.77h,88.88t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sW0DF4Se3gWgNHrJc-j41Ew!2e0!3e11!7i16384!8i8192!4m5!3m4!1s0x4873a181cd6cd37f:0x8f7632e3256253b3!8m2!3d50.7443605!4d-1.9081978" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">Google Maps</a><br /> <br /> Ah well, as you say, the reassurance from a former camera car driver is something.<br /> <br /> I was parked just past that green bin on the map below.<br /> <a href="https://www.google.com/maps/place/Talbot+Dr,+Poole/@50.7432557,-1.9086038,3a,75y,194.77h,88.88t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPe3-tOd5t1_wSJXMIaqmsQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!4m5!3m4!1s0x4873a181cd6cd37f:0x8f7632e3256253b3!8m2!3d50.7443605!4d-1.9081978" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">Google Maps</a></div>