Converting 1988 G-class to be ULEZ compliant
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This link may help you.
I fear it could be unjustifiably expensive. Good luck - keep us posted.
NJSS
I fear it could be unjustifiably expensive. Good luck - keep us posted.
NJSS
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How old? If it's 40 years or older you can apply for exemption apparently. Rather defeats the object of ULEZ though
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Hence my question!Maybe because it's his pride and joy? Because it's rare and unique
Last week I came across an old lady who owned a Cadillac from 1992 which was not ULEZ compliant, but somehow she took the TFL to court and managed to get them to finally accept her car as ULEZ compliant. This example shows that there are definitely cases, although not straight forward.
There must be a way to install a filter or modify the car to have the emissions lowered, and have the new emissions tested by DVLA to get it approved. Sadly I can't find ANY info on this on the internet.
There must be a way to install a filter or modify the car to have the emissions lowered, and have the new emissions tested by DVLA to get it approved. Sadly I can't find ANY info on this on the internet.
Bellow
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From linked article:
''Though any retrofit technology that you fit to your car needs to be approved by the Clean Vehicle Retrofit Accreditation Scheme (CVRAS).''
Clean vehicle retrofit accreditation scheme
The Clean Vehicle Retrofit Accreditation Scheme certifies manufacturers of retrofit technologies and clean air zone compliance for vehicles.
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From above article:
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Can I retrofit my pre-Euro 4 petrol car?
There are currently no CVRAS approved retrofit emission control systems for pre-Euro 4 petrol cars and we do not expect any to come to market in the foreseeable future. The Euro 4 standards for petrol cars came into effect between 2004-2006 and generally cars first registered with the DVLA after 2005 meet the Euro 4 standard. This means cars that are up to 16 years old are generally compliant for a CAZ, LEZ or ULEZ.''
Thanks for sharing, I'm aware of the article but it's very vague. What does the CVRAS need to pass. Also it does not provide any info where the CVRAS accepted centers are or how to contact any.From linked article:
''Though any retrofit technology that you fit to your car needs to be approved by the Clean Vehicle Retrofit Accreditation Scheme (CVRAS).''
Clean vehicle retrofit accreditation scheme
The Clean Vehicle Retrofit Accreditation Scheme certifies manufacturers of retrofit technologies and clean air zone compliance for vehicles.
From above article:
''
Can I retrofit my pre-Euro 4 petrol car?
There are currently no CVRAS approved retrofit emission control systems for pre-Euro 4 petrol cars and we do not expect any to come to market in the foreseeable future. The Euro 4 standards for petrol cars came into effect between 2004-2006 and generally cars first registered with the DVLA after 2005 meet the Euro 4 standard. This means cars that are up to 16 years old are generally compliant for a CAZ, LEZ or ULEZ.''
Bellow
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These are the tests:
The NEDC is composed of two parts: ECE-15 (Urban Driving Cycle), repeated 4 times, is plotted from 0 s to 780 s; EUDC cycle is plotted from 780 s to 1180 s
The Urban Driving Cycle ECE-15 (or just UDC) was introduced first in 1970 as part of ECE vehicle regulations; the recent version is defined by ECE R83, R84 and R101.[2][3][6] The cycle has been designed to represent typical driving conditions of busy European cities, and is characterized by low engine load, low exhaust gas temperature, and a maximum speed of 50 km/h.[7]
When the engine starts, the car pauses for 11 s - if equipped with a manual gearbox, 6 s in neutral (with clutch engaged) and 5 s in the 1st gear (with clutch disengaged) - then slowly accelerates to 15 km/h in 4 s, cruises at constant speed for 8 s, brakes to a full stop in 5 s (manual: last 3 s with clutch disengaged), then stops for 21 s (manual: 16 s in neutral, then 5 s in the 1st gear).
At 49 s, the car slowly accelerates to 32 km/h in 12 s (manual: 5 s in 1st gear, 2 s gear change, then 5 s in the 2nd gear), cruises for 24 s, slowly brakes to a full stop in 11 s (manual: last 3 s with clutch disengaged), then pauses for another 21 s (manual: 16 s in neutral, 5 s in the 1st gear).
At 117 s, the car slowly accelerates to 50 km/h in 26 s (manual: 5 s, 9 s and 8 s in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd gears, with additional 2 × 2 s for gear changes), cruises for 12 s, decelerates to 35 km/h in 8 s, cruises for another 13 s, brakes to a full stop in 12 s (manual: 2 s change to the 2nd gear, 7 s in the 2nd gear, last 3 s with clutch disengaged), then pauses for 7 s (manual: in neutral with clutch engaged).
The cycle ends on 195 s after a theoretical distance of 994.03 meters, then it repeats four consecutive times. Total duration is 780 s (13 minutes) over a theoretical distance of 3976.1 meters, with an average speed of 18.35 km/h.
After a 20 s stop - if equipped with manual gearbox, in the 1st gear with clutch disengaged - the car slowly accelerates to 70 km/h in 41 s (manual: 5 s, 9 s, 8 s and 13 s in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th gears, with additional 3 × 2 s for gear changes), cruises for 50 s (manual: in the 5th gear [sic]), decelerates to 50 km/h in 8 s (manual: 4 s in the 5th and 4 s in the 4th gear [sic]) and cruises for 69 s, then slowly accelerates to 70 km/h in 13 s .
At 201 s, the car cruises at 70 km/h for 50 s (manual: in the 5th gear), then slowly accelerates to 100 km/h in 35 s and cruises for 30 s (manual: in the 5th or 6th gear).
Finally, at 316 s the car slowly accelerates to 120 km/h in 20 s, cruises for 10 s, then slowly brakes to a full stop in 34 s (manual: in the 5th or 6th gear, last 10 s with clutch disengaged), and idles for another 20 s (manual: in neutral).
Total duration is 400 s (6 minutes 40 s seconds) and theoretical distance is 6956 meters, with an average speed of 62.6 km/h.
Above from >> New European Driving Cycle - Wikipedia
Consider what that would cost.
Urban driving Cycle[edit]
The NEDC is composed of two parts: ECE-15 (Urban Driving Cycle), repeated 4 times, is plotted from 0 s to 780 s; EUDC cycle is plotted from 780 s to 1180 s
The Urban Driving Cycle ECE-15 (or just UDC) was introduced first in 1970 as part of ECE vehicle regulations; the recent version is defined by ECE R83, R84 and R101.[2][3][6] The cycle has been designed to represent typical driving conditions of busy European cities, and is characterized by low engine load, low exhaust gas temperature, and a maximum speed of 50 km/h.[7]
When the engine starts, the car pauses for 11 s - if equipped with a manual gearbox, 6 s in neutral (with clutch engaged) and 5 s in the 1st gear (with clutch disengaged) - then slowly accelerates to 15 km/h in 4 s, cruises at constant speed for 8 s, brakes to a full stop in 5 s (manual: last 3 s with clutch disengaged), then stops for 21 s (manual: 16 s in neutral, then 5 s in the 1st gear).
At 49 s, the car slowly accelerates to 32 km/h in 12 s (manual: 5 s in 1st gear, 2 s gear change, then 5 s in the 2nd gear), cruises for 24 s, slowly brakes to a full stop in 11 s (manual: last 3 s with clutch disengaged), then pauses for another 21 s (manual: 16 s in neutral, 5 s in the 1st gear).
At 117 s, the car slowly accelerates to 50 km/h in 26 s (manual: 5 s, 9 s and 8 s in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd gears, with additional 2 × 2 s for gear changes), cruises for 12 s, decelerates to 35 km/h in 8 s, cruises for another 13 s, brakes to a full stop in 12 s (manual: 2 s change to the 2nd gear, 7 s in the 2nd gear, last 3 s with clutch disengaged), then pauses for 7 s (manual: in neutral with clutch engaged).
The cycle ends on 195 s after a theoretical distance of 994.03 meters, then it repeats four consecutive times. Total duration is 780 s (13 minutes) over a theoretical distance of 3976.1 meters, with an average speed of 18.35 km/h.
Extra-urban driving Cycle[edit]
The Extra-Urban Driving Cycle EUDC, introduced by ECE R101 in 1990,[2] has been designed to represent more aggressive, high speed driving modes. The maximum speed of the EUDC cycle is 120 km/h; low-powered vehicles are limited to 90 km/h.[7]After a 20 s stop - if equipped with manual gearbox, in the 1st gear with clutch disengaged - the car slowly accelerates to 70 km/h in 41 s (manual: 5 s, 9 s, 8 s and 13 s in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th gears, with additional 3 × 2 s for gear changes), cruises for 50 s (manual: in the 5th gear [sic]), decelerates to 50 km/h in 8 s (manual: 4 s in the 5th and 4 s in the 4th gear [sic]) and cruises for 69 s, then slowly accelerates to 70 km/h in 13 s .
At 201 s, the car cruises at 70 km/h for 50 s (manual: in the 5th gear), then slowly accelerates to 100 km/h in 35 s and cruises for 30 s (manual: in the 5th or 6th gear).
Finally, at 316 s the car slowly accelerates to 120 km/h in 20 s, cruises for 10 s, then slowly brakes to a full stop in 34 s (manual: in the 5th or 6th gear, last 10 s with clutch disengaged), and idles for another 20 s (manual: in neutral).
Total duration is 400 s (6 minutes 40 s seconds) and theoretical distance is 6956 meters, with an average speed of 62.6 km/h.
Combined[edit]
The combined fuel economy is calculated by a total consumption of urban and extra-urban cycles over the total distance (theoretical 10932 meters). The total test time amounts to 1180 s with an average speed of 33.35 km/h. Sometimes the NEDC is also quoted at 1220 s, which includes the initial 40 s with the vehicle at standstill and combustion engine off.Above from >> New European Driving Cycle - Wikipedia
Consider what that would cost.
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This has been discussed at length between many other G wagen owners I am acquainted with.. and it does not appear to be possible. 33+ year old tech.
I have 7 years until mine is 40 years old and exempt. so will drive my SL55AMG 2003 (which is compliant)for free in the zone.. and drive my old classic G wagen 280GE elsewhere until the zone is either scrapped, when some other mayor takes over and realises what a waste of money it is/was.
I have 7 years until mine is 40 years old and exempt. so will drive my SL55AMG 2003 (which is compliant)for free in the zone.. and drive my old classic G wagen 280GE elsewhere until the zone is either scrapped, when some other mayor takes over and realises what a waste of money it is/was.
Some people have asked “why” the point is we are enthusiasts and love what we drive so want to do everything possible cost no object to make it happen.
Once you eventually find a conversion you need to take it to a test station where they will look at emissions.
I have a Harley Davison 2002 non ULEZ compliant until two years ago when I found someone to convert it. It cost me £750 but now Khan doesn’t get my money. See it can be done!
Doodle
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Not even remotely close to being the same.
The requirements for motorbikes is Euro 3, which dates back to 1999. Pretty much anything produced in the last 15 years is automatically going to meet that, and a few things that are older. Your Harley WILL have been designed with at least one eye on those regs - that's why it was relatively easy to make compliant (apparently some TwinCams will even meet the requirements in stock form)
The requirements for cars are more stringent (albeit petrol less so than diesel) but it's trying to update a car that is 35 years old, and based on a design a decade older than that. Yes you might get it to pass, but are you willing to drop a more modern engine and management system into it to do so? At that point you might as well just buy a newer and therefore already compliant G-wagon.
There's enthusiast, and then there's being deliberately obtuse.
