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Is there any need to ride two abreast.

This is a very selfish phenonemon I am seeing more and more. Its IMHO up there with middle lane hogging and in my view worse.

A pushbike is unlikely to be travelling at a speed greater than 20mph and we have to slow down and wait to its safe to pass and properly use the oncoming traffics lane to pass them safely.

Single breast and you can still use most of your lane and not slow as much as there is room for bike and 2 cars to be 3 abreast with a bit of give and take.

I am a live and let live sort and do not bikes on the road, but this is very selfish and dangerous and completely unnecessary and given they have more to lose if car driver gets it wrong seems very folly.

My rant is now over.
 
Highway code rule 66:

66

You should

  • never ride more than two abreast, and ride in single file on narrow or busy roads and when riding round bends.
so 50/50
 
here here here...
 
Steve

As much as looking at the Highway Code for cyclists, you must also adhere to the main principle of driving with due care and attention.

Many cyclists will ride two abreast to make themselves more noticable to other road users - mainly to stop them being mowed down from behind.

Live and let live IMO
 
Steve

As much as looking at the Highway Code for cyclists, you must also adhere to the main principle of driving with due care and attention.

Many cyclists will ride two abreast to make themselves more noticable to other road users - mainly to stop them being mowed down from behind.

Live and let live IMO

I could see them a mile off and could pass with ease safely, and note what you say re visibility.

I do my best to live at let live, but anything that stands in the way at an arrival at a restaurant is frowned upon in *** world.
 
It must have really put you out having to brake, steer and accelerate!! As others have said sometimes it's safer to ride 2 a breast to avoid cars squeezing past you. Remember you are surrounded by metal, they by Lycra. Rant return over!
 
Live and let live.

How much were you really inconvenienced, and did it matter anyway?

Why should your convenience take priority over theirs?
 
I'd say I drive more cautiously than most but get peeved off with two-abreast cyclists who seem to ask for trouble by failing to get into single file when it is dangerous for them not to.

It's as though some of them are making a statement of "we are allowed to ride two-abreast and nothing will stop us". Very dangerous IMHO.

I'll wait all day to pass them safely if I have to. Some are less patient though and that's why the accidents occur.
 
Is there any need to ride two abreast.

Yes.

  1. It means neither rider has to worry about the curry the other rider had the night before.
  2. It annoys other road users
  3. Specifically, it annoys ***

:devil:
 
Thought I may as well just paste my comments from this same thread over on 'the other forum' ....

To respond to the original question - the ADVICE given in the Highway Code is for cyclists to 'never ride more than two abreast' ; it does not say ' you may ride two abreast wherever and whenever you feel like it ' .

On the matters of VED and insurance .

It is not compulsory for cyclists to have third party insurance , but I believe it is prudent since even minor scratches to a motor vehicle can cost hundreds of pounds to rectify if you end up having to pay for them . If a cyclist , going 25 mph , hits a small child or other pedestrian they could certainly cause serious injury - so ought to be insured for that eventuality . I remember witnessing a crash between two cyclists in Glasgow city centre some years ago : traffic was queued in two lanes for some distance - cyclist 1 was travelling at a good pace between the two lanes of static traffic , just when cyclist 2 decided to turn right across his path between stationary cars - CRASH ! Bent bikes , blood , and an ambulance called for the one travelling at speed who broke his arm . They were both lycra'd up in high-vis gear and wearing helmets - both could have avoided the incident with a little care .

I have long contended , and have stated on several forums , that I feel cyclists ought to have some form of visible identification - it is precisely because of anonymity that so many cyclists ( not all , I hasten to add ) openly flout so many traffic laws endangering primarily themselves as well as others : in towns and cities disregarding of traffic signals is seen everyday ; weaving in and out of traffic ; passing to the left of traffic already signalling to turn left ( then complaining that they were run over ) ; cycling on pavements - to the danger of pedestrians ; cycling after dark without lights or reflective clothing to name but a few commonly seen offences .

I would suggest that adult cyclists ought to be registered , and have to display some sort of registration number - my original suggestion was a tabard with the registration number displayed across the back at shoulder height . This number would be unique to a rider , not the cycle , so each rider could be held accountable for their actions . A small charge of , say , £10 or £20 per year to cover the admin involved would . in my mind , not be unreasonale .

There is also the argument that there is an increasing amount of infrastructure being put in place for cyclists on the roads these days : dedicated ( sometimes physically separate ) cycle lanes , advanced stop lines at traffic signals , separate traffic signals , separate cycle ways , national cycle routes - all of which costs money - SO WHY SHOULD THE CYCLISTS NOT CONTRIBUTE DIRECTLY TOWARDS THIS rather than putting the burden on non-cyclists who will never use these facilities ?

The issue of cycle lanes raises another question : when a cycle lane is provided at considerable expense - such as the one which runs many miles of the A77 , almost from Kilmarnock to Glasgow - why is it not compulsory for cyclists to use the lane provided rather than endangering themselves and inconveniencing other road users by still riding on the main carriageway ? I have heard the pathetic excuse that the surface is not as good , or may not be clear of debris that might cause a puncture - certainly the A77 lane is exactly the same as the road surface ( I have cycled it ) and is cleared regularly . I'd also venture that the consequences of a puncture on a separate lane are potentially less than those of being hit by a car doing 60mph when there was no need to be using the same bit of road . Since fitting kevlar bands in my bike tyres more than 10 years ago , I have never since had a puncture - although I had plenty before .

The last thing I will bring up is bike maintenance - I remember crossing a road at lights with the ' green man ' in my favour , only to be shouted at by this cyclist " watch out - I've got no brakes !!! " . As above , I have often seen unlit bikes out after dark and I'm sure there are other dangerous mechanical failings out there . Since some cyclists clearly don't bother about any maintenance - there is also a strong argument for a 'bike MOT' to at least check things like tyres , brakes , lights and a few other basics on at least an annual basis . This could be undertaken by bike shops in much the same way as garages are appointed as MOT test stations . The main benefit would be for cyclists themselves , but other road users would benefit too .

Sadly , people on bikes tend to fall into two categories : responsible cyclists who do obey all the rules and cycle responsibly ; and suicidal IDIOTS who disregard every rule they possibly can .
 
For me there are some interesting parallels between motoring and cycling. Cyclists today have the freedoms motorists once had; no insurance, anonymity, no highway code and all the other. It's clear that it took regulations to control motorists, but has it gone too far? Judging my the number of threads complaining about speed limits, new MOT standards etc, then it seems many members feel yes. Should those same or similar regulations now apply to cyclists? Would it be enforceable? Is this not sour grapes by motorists bemoaning their loss of freedom? I don't know. If common senses was as common as I'd like to hope, then cyclists would cycle with due car and courtesy. So back in the real world, maybe some further regulations are needed for cyclists. But how much Police time are we willing to be taken up by enforcing these regulations? (Too many questions in one post I know)
 
I think all cyclists should have to take a compulsory proficiency test before they are allowed to use the public highway. Only recently I was following a cyclist who was about to make a right turn. I was literally surprised when he first looked behind him, then made a clear hand signal and moved safely into the middle of the highway and turned right.

Why was I surprised? This should be the norm but sadly these days there has been a definite change in the general attitude of cyclists towards other road users.

You ought to see Barrow when the shipyard turns out, its mayhem, cyclists ignoring other road users, running red lights, cycling on the pavement (what's that all about?) also the wrong way down one way streets. Don't get me wrong, I think cycling is great and there are some good cyclists around but sadly these seem to be becoming a minority.
 
Oh to live in a perfect world......

I both cycle and drive and I've witnessed far more dangerous and stupid acts by motorists than cyclists.

A little bit more patience and understanding of the others' point of view wouldn't go amiss. I can't remember one incident when driving where my life has been put in serious danger by someone on a push bike, but I can think of many maniacal acts by other drivers.

If rogue cyclists were really such a huge problem, there's be a spate of TV programmes about them, but strangely enough I can't think of one......

Next time a cyclist delays you for a few seconds, try - thinking that's one less car on the road today, so that's one more chance of finding a parking space when I reach my destination. Works wonders.
 
I can't remember one incident when driving where my life has been put in serious danger by someone on a push bike, but I can think of many maniacal acts by other drivers.

I've never had life put in danger by a cyclist when driving, but see so many putting themselves into dangerous situations. There'll be plenty more examples on my drive to/from the London office today, unfortunately.
 

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