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<div class="bbWrapper"><a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50598673" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener"><span style="font-size: 15px"><b>Mercedes-Benz owner Daimler to cut 10,000 jobs worldwide</b></span></a><br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Daimler, the German carmaker that owns Mercedes-Benz, has said it will shed at least 10,000 jobs worldwide as it seeks to fund the switch to electric cars.<br /> <br /> Daimler personnel chief Wilfried Porth told journalists the number of jobs lost would be &quot;in the five figures&quot;.<br /> <br /> The move comes days after rival Audi said it would cut <a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50563254" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">9,500 of its 61,000 jobs in Germany</a> for similar reasons.<br /> <br /> Daimler said the car industry was going through &quot;the biggest transformation in its history&quot;.<br /> <br /> &quot;The development towards CO2-neutral mobility requires large investments, which is why Daimler announced in the middle of November that it would launch a programme to increase competitiveness, innovation and investment strength,&quot; the firm said.<br /> <br /> &quot;Part of this programme is to reduce staff costs by around €1.4bn by the end of 2022 and, among other things, to reduce the number of management positions worldwide by 10%.&quot;<br /> <br /> more... </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">It seems that the move to EVs is giving car manufacturers a great excuse to cut jobs!<br /> Probably difficult for the unions to argue against this - as it’s a new era in car manufacturing.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 110800" data-quote="Steveml63" data-source="post: 2827215" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=2827215" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-2827215">Steveml63 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> It seems that the move to EVs is giving car manufacturers a great excuse to cut jobs!<br /> Probably difficult for the unions to argue against this - as it’s a new era in car manufacturing. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Yes, but this depends on who are the 17 countries.... strong Workers Unions are mainly a West-European thing, in most other countries around the world they wouldn't need an excuse to cut jobs.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">I'd read before that the number of jobs they were cutting and the resulting savings were almost identical to the size of the fine they got in the US for the emissions scandal.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">What 'Dieselgate' demonstrated is that the ever-increasing emissions reduction requirements from ICE manufacturers are simply unrealistic.... the move to EVs is unavoidable for car manufacturers be cause the EU and US current and future emissions requirements just can be practically met.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 19590" data-quote="markjay" data-source="post: 2827226" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=2827226" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-2827226">markjay said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> What 'Dieselgate' demonstrated is that <b>the ever-increasing emissions reduction requirements from ICE manufacturers are simply unrealistic</b>.... the move to EVs is unavoidable for car manufacturers be cause the EU and US current and future emissions requirements just can be practically met. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> And if the manufacturers had refrained from cheating they would have a voice to say that. Management sanctioned cheating but it is the factory workers who are going to lose their livelihoods. And still no viable (affordable, reliable, with supporting infrastructure) cars for us to use.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 33841" data-quote="Bellow" data-source="post: 2827245" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=2827245" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-2827245">Bellow said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> And if the manufacturers had refrained from cheating they would have a voice to say that. Management sanctioned cheating but it is the factory workers who are going to lose their livelihoods. And still no viable (affordable, reliable, with supporting infrastructure) cars for us to use. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>True, but then humanity existed (and flourished) for several millennia (or even longer....) before we each had a car (or two). Perhaps we should rethink how we live in the 21st Century?</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 33841" data-quote="Bellow" data-source="post: 2827245" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=2827245" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-2827245">Bellow said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> And if the manufacturers had refrained from cheating they would have a voice to say that. Management sanctioned cheating but it is the factory workers who are going to lose their livelihoods. And still no viable (affordable, reliable, with supporting infrastructure) cars for us to use. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>You are right except the factory workers have contract guaranteed jobs until 2015 so these job losses are in management, r&amp;d, design etc. To be followed by massive recruitment in ev jobs</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 130113" data-quote="Fununcle" data-source="post: 2827255" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=2827255" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-2827255">Fununcle said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> You are right except the factory workers have contract guaranteed jobs until 2015 so these job losses are in management, r&amp;d, design etc. To be followed by massive recruitment in ev jobs </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Slightly fairer then, the job losses being across the board but none will welcome being paid off.<br /> <br /> As an aside, I wonder where the axe will fall in F1 when the cost capping becomes reality. At a guess, there'll be quite a few available to work on the last sentence in your post.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">With developments in the industry like this, all the major German manufacturers about to launch a range of EVs, and the Mercedes EQC about to hit the showrooms is it time to raise the Feb 2018 question again?<img src="/styles/mbclub/smilies/dk.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":dk:" title="Dk :dk:" data-shortname=":dk:" /><br /> <a href="https://forums.mbclub.co.uk/threads/new-forum-section.234119/" class="link link--internal">https://forums.mbclub.co.uk/threads/new-forum-section.234119/</a></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 19590" data-quote="markjay" data-source="post: 2827216" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=2827216" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-2827216">markjay said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Yes, but this depends on who are the 17 countries.... strong Workers Unions are mainly a West-European thing, in most other countries around the world they wouldn't need an excuse to cut jobs. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Try cutting jobs in a car plant or any big company in South Africa and the powerful unions will harm you. Industrial action there often results in violence and sometimes death.<br /> For various geopolitical reasons unions are strong there...not doing them much good though, but they have a lot of power to disrupt output at the drop of a hat.<br /> <br /> For the most part unions in the UK have less influence than they did in the good/bad old days, that would of course all change in the Momentum...sorry, Labour party wins the next general election.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">To balance out the bad news with the gloomy reading of EV,s and job cuts, some good news from Mercedes. The V12 isn't going away just yet<img src="/styles/mbclub/smilies/banana.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":banana:" title="Banana :banana:" data-shortname=":banana:" /><br /> <a href="https://uk.motor1.com/news/384640/mercedes-s-class-v12-confirmed/" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">New Mercedes S-Class to get V12 engine after all - report</a></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">There is still the issue of the UK power grid and charging points in the high density UK modern housing developments where 95% of the cars are parked half on the road and half on the walkway. This is just to balance their emission targets, same as green energy, won`t work.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 21572" data-quote="AMGeed" data-source="post: 2827318" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=2827318" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-2827318">AMGeed said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> To balance out the bad news with the gloomy reading of EV,s and job cuts, some good news from Mercedes. The V12 isn't going away just yet<img src="/styles/mbclub/smilies/banana.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":banana:" title="Banana :banana:" data-shortname=":banana:" /><br /> <a href="https://uk.motor1.com/news/384640/mercedes-s-class-v12-confirmed/" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">New Mercedes S-Class to get V12 engine after all - report</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> I do wonder if the changing mind set of people towards greener forms of transport will make cars featuring V12s disproportionately unpopular.<br /> <br /> Bit like smoking has become compared to what it was previously in eras gone by.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 53784" data-quote="John" data-source="post: 2827353" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=2827353" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-2827353">John said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I do wonder if the changing mind set of people towards greener forms of transport will make cars featuring V12s disproportionately unpopular.<br /> <br /> Bit like smoking has become compared to what it was previously in eras gone by. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Good point about cigarettes, we did move from the thick-smoke variants to the electronic ones....</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">&quot;Daimler is planning to cut 10,000 jobs&quot;<br /> <br /> Or, in other words, Daimler is planning to cut its 300,000 staffing by just over 3%.<br /> <br /> To the same level of staff that it had in 2017. (Because it added 10,000 staff in 2018)<br /> <br /> Now, for sure it's significant for the people who aren't recuited to replace those who leave, or who retire, and it's significant for those whose divisions are trimmed.<br /> <br /> But, overall, it's not big stuff.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">EQ research made a dent to their pockets, followed by diselgate fines. Not to mention Germany is slowly slipping into recession and thats why the government wants to bring investment back into the country.</div>
 
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