Difference between B200 CDI and B 200d?

[WildSDI]

From my personal experience, both the facelift models are the same. B200 CDI was launched in early 2015. B200d was launched in 12.2015.

The eco display is a graph in CDI instead of a piechart on 200d

The driving modes add an individual mode through the main display in the 200d.

Does anyone have any additional info regarding the differences? And is there a software update to make the B200 CDI to B200d. The graphics are definitely better in the newer version.

Also the OBD Apple CarPlay activator works only from 12.2015. Mine is 07.2015 manufacture and it doesn't work in mine.

 

[markjay]

As far as I know, 'CDI' engines are Euro5, while 'd' engines are Euro6. The Euro6 engines are ULEZ compliant, if that's important to you. Also, with MB's bigger engines, Euro6 will have the AdBlue system (I don't know if that's applicable to the B-Class, though). If the car does have AdBlue, then it's not great news because the AdBlue system is unreliable and can be expensive to repair. Another thing is that facelift models usually get a newer/better infotainment system. This will explain why there's no native support for Apple CarPlay and Android Auto on the older car. My guess is that the older car had NTG4.5 while the newer model has NTG5*1.

 

[WildSDI]

Here in India, both the models seem similar mechanically and visually. Both are the Facelift models of the W246 launched in 2012.

I am not sure if the infotainment firmware can be upgraded from the 07.15 to 12.15 model. The hardware seems to be the same.

The prefacelift one had a B&W screen in the instrument console and the Dash display was also of lower resolution. I think NTG4.5

Mine has the colour screen in the instrument console but the ecodisplay graphic is a bar graph instead of Pie chart. Also everything about the dash display and head unit is the same except in vehicle settings there is an option to change mode and there is an additional individual mode.

The OBD CarPlay activator works for cars after 12.15. Was wondering if it's possible to flash my car's firmware to the newer one.

Thanks in advance.

 

[markjay]

Keep in mind that each generation of cars will have a choice of entry-level (typically Audio20) and high-end (typically COMAND) infotainment systems. Each system came with it's own screen the COMAND screen is typically larger and hi-res.

So when comparing two cars, you should also check which infotainment system each car had - the entry-level one or the hi-end one?

Regarding Apple CarPlay, in order to be able to activate it, the car need to have an infotainment system that had native support for Apple CarPlay.

The first model that had native support for Apple CarPlay was NTG5*1. The next one was NTG5.5. In between the two, there was NTG5*2 that did not have it. None of the earlier models - NTG4 and NTG4.5/4.7 - had it.

 

[markjay]

With regards the engine, if neither car has AdBlue, then the C200d will be the newer engine and your best bet.

If the B200d has AdBlue but the B200 CDI does not, then I would go for the older B200 CDI and avoid the B200d.

Hope this helps.

 

[Bendo]

With regards the engine, if neither car has AdBlue, then the C200d will be the newer engine and your best bet.

If the B200d has AdBlue but the B200 CDI does not, then I would go for the older B200 CDI and avoid the B200d.

Hope this helps.

Unless one wants to drive into Glasgow (currently active), Edinburgh or Dundee (from next year) with the ULEZ zones that simply ban any diesel prior to E6 with fines that double for each breach.

 

[markjay]

Unless one wants to drive into Glasgow (currently active), Edinburgh or Dundee (from next year) with the ULEZ zones that simply ban any diesel prior to E6 with fines that double for each breach.

True, though the OP is in India....

 

[Bendo]

True, though the OP is in India....

Ah. That makes it somewhat an easier choice.

 

[Dickie Fix]

As far as I know, 'CDI' engines are Euro5, while 'd' engines are Euro6. The Euro6 engines are ULEZ compliant, if that's important to you. Also, with MB's bigger engines, Euro6 will have the AdBlue system (I don't know if that's applicable to the B-Class, though).

Our B200 CDI is Euro 6 and does not have the AdBlue system. It was built in Feb 2015 and the engine designation is 651.930.

 

[WildSDI]

Sorry if I caused any misunderstanding.

I own a 2015 B200 CDI. It is identical to later models designated B200d. It was just a change of nomenclature that happened to all Mercedes models that year.

Neither car has AdBlue. Engines are identical. Only the badge is the physical difference. I'm completely sure of this fact.

The only difference is minor changes in the display menu and instrument cluster display. Both have Audio20 NTG 5*1 according to the brochure. VIN codes are identical in all models after 2015. Only Night edition launched in 2017 had Black wing mirror housing and different alloys.

Obviously Mercedes dealers will not update the firmware to the newer version (because of VIN). I was wondering if there was a hack to get the newer firmware in my system. I'm not even sure where the telematics module is.

 

[WildSDI]

Any suggestions? Can a different VIN be entered in Xentry and the firmware updated? Or is there an OBD hack?

 

[WildSDI]

Bumping up the thread.
MB Master markjay, do you have any suggestion about this query?
Can Xentry or any other software update newer firmware to my car. There is no hardware differences as far as I have asked. But everyone says firmware is VIN specific.

 

[markjay]

Unfortunately, I don't know the answer to your question.

As an example, with NTG4.5, it was possible to upgrade the infotainment unit from Gen 1 to Gen 2 via firmware upgrade, but it was not possible to update the firmware from Gen 2 to Gen 3. This was because Gen 1 and Gen 2 had identical hardware, but Gen 3 had slightly different hardware.

The bottom line is that I don't you can be certain that the hardware is identical, even though both units are 'Audio20 NTG5*1'.

With regard Xentry, if using a genuine STAR with subscription, it will connect to the MB central computer and will download and install any newer firmware available for your car. If the dealer tried that, and the latest firmware for your unit is still the old one, than it not officially possible. I understand that you are looking for a hack, but this is not the right forum for hacks... there are other forums online where you can find infotainment system hacks.

As for Apple CarPlay, you should simply ask your dealer if it can be retrofitted to your car. If they say no, then it's not possible. Again, the OBDII hack that you are talking about is not an official retrofit, so here too I can't really advice.

That been said, you can buy a Chinese Apple CarPlay adapter, even a wireless one, and that should solve your problem.

 

[WildSDI]

Thank you for your response. The dealer did say that there were no new updates for my car.

I'm not really looking for just car play. Just like the graphics in the instrument cluster of the newer version better.

 

[WildSDI]

So I visited MB service center. They connected my 07/15 B200 CDI to Xentry. No update is available and Apple CarPlay cannot be activated.

 

[markjay]

Out of interest, can you check the Datacard to see if options 14U or 15U 'Smartphone Integration' are present?

I think that having one of these might be a prerequisite for retrofitting/activating Apple CarPlay (16U) or Android Auto (17U).

That's the hardware link from the USB port in the car o the infotainment system.

Either way, even if you could somehow activate Apple CarPlay, I understand that this will not solve your problem because you want also the other features that come with the newer head unit.

You might be able to retrofit an Audio20 NTG*1 (or even COMAND NTG5*1) from the later car model into your car, but it won't be cheap and will require SCN coding with STAR.

 

[WildSDI]

I don't have 14U/15U/16U/17U in my data card. I have 522.

522 AUDIO 20 RADIO NAVIGATION CAPABLE NTG5

There is a smartphone integration package, but not available anymore. Only models after 12/15 have capability to add CarPlay.