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Given the increases in, and unpredictable future of VED and fuel prices, if you own a large-engined petrol-fuelled car, it will become increasingly difficult to sell on, compared with a diesel-fuelled car of similar engine size.

Discuss.
 
A timely topic. My car stands me in at around £11k, after just over a year of ownership (bought before the big drops in pricing - however still happy due to provenace and condition of car)

When looking at a new car, MB offered me £2-3K trade in!

Privately I believe would get £4-5k tops. Simply not worth it for me to sell - I'll never find such a car again.

So I'm stuck with it, but as I love the old girl that's not really a problem. Hope to one day have a drive, then I can do a tudu, and have 2 or more beasts on the drive ;-)
 
Given the increases in, and unpredictable future of VED and fuel prices, if you own a large-engined petrol-fuelled car, it will become increasingly difficult to sell on, compared with a diesel-fuelled car of similar engine size.

Discuss.

Perhaps so. But saying that diesel engined cars usually carry a premium in the first place greater than the difference in VED. On top of that, the cost of fuel are much higher (today 12p) for diesel than petrol.

Personally, doing low mileage, it works out better with petrol than diesel and I would imagine that this is the case for 99% of the British drivers.
 
Yes, but the replacement will be much cheaper and easier to find :-)

LS, you're in the same boat as I am (a rather nice well-built and fast boat I may add!) - what are your thoughts on C43 pricing and selling-on?
 
Cars currently especially second hand are very cheap.


Its all relative as its the price to change that is the key. What your car is actually worth is in a way accademic.


My bus has probably lost a bucket load, but I love driving it, it does everything I need from it and I don't do the miles to warranty a diesal that will cost more to buy and fill up.

I'm in the mind that as my tax will shoot up to £400 or so I might as well get a V8 and enjoy it :)
 
Neither cost to change nor running costs are relevant to this, because that's not what my hypothesis said :)
 
not necessarily... if the gap in price of the fuels stays the same you will find more people re assessing and switching back to normal.

Also more people are converting unleaded to run on LPG at the moment.
 
I bought a petrol W203 mainly because I didnt like the sound of diesel. This point has been discussed many times before and there are those that agree and those that disagree.
But thats my opinion. Diesel cars sound much noisier and less refined.
I know there are other valid plus and minus points both for and against petrol, but for what its worth, my choice will ALWAYS be petrol.
 
Some short term solutions.

1. Make sure your big car is a pre 2001 registered model.;)

2. Convert to LPG if you do a big annual mileage:)

3. maximise your cars existing MPG :confused: --keep your car in a good state of tune--check the fuel system regularly for leaks-- stay on top of tyre inflation--forsake wide wheels/low profile tyres--make sure any aerodynamic aids such as undertrays are in place---no binding brakes----decrease winter warm up times by fitting a engine preheater-- keep your top speeds down/avoid hard acceleration :( ---use the economy setting on the autogearbox--- avoid peak traffic times/ road works restriction to prevent long periods idling at standstill---- buy the cheapest good quality fuel possible.

Since depreciation is only manifested when you actually sell the car it may well worth hanging onto it providing it remains reliable day to day transport?
 
Its a really good one this thread. Company car users will switch to diesel as the CO2 banding is lower, fuel economy better (many do >12k miles/year) and residuals are better.

For some on her they prefer the driving characterstics of petrol, some prefer diesel and will stick with that anyway. Cost wise buying a used petrol large car makes a lot of sense if your not a mega miles driver, you don't mind higher VED etc.
 
I bought a petrol W203 mainly because I didnt like the sound of diesel. This point has been discussed many times before and there are those that agree and those that disagree.
But thats my opinion. Diesel cars sound much noisier and less refined.
I know there are other valid plus and minus points both for and against petrol, but for what its worth, my choice will ALWAYS be petrol.
Diesels from MB are no dearer to buy than petrols. Size for size they give comparable performance. They give 20-40% more mpg for fuel that costs about 10% more. And they offer a higher residual.

Nobody who has driven the latest MB diesels in the E, S etc would ever say they are noisy. The 320cdi is just unlike the sound of any other diesel I have ever heard or driven. Even with the bonnet open. And even the 220cdi in my E estate is virtually inaudible at most speeds.

The depreciation on all cars is bad, but on large petrol engined cars it is now horrific. And you get more grunt for any chosen VED level with diesel. And what more will govts do to clobber high CO2 cars?

New technology may save petrol and hybrids too I guess. But at the mo it is a one way street. The 2 litre 'A180cdi' does 38% more mpg than the 2 litre petrol version. Ten per cent more for fuel is small beer with that economy.
 
I chopped my SLK320 in recently for a BMW 330d. I did it for multiple reasons. the one that made me start looking was the fuel issue, but I also realised that if the cost to change is moer than a few thousand pounds, then that buys a lot of petrol, so there has to be more to it than just fuel.

however for me, I do about 15k miles a year, so fuel is a concern, but also, the SLK was never a keeper. it's only got 2 seats, my fiancee didn't like me putting the top down, and I knew we'd need something more sensible next year. However what kinda sealed it for me was seeing what the depreciation of the SLK was.

I agreed the trade-in price with the dealer in late July but the actual deal happened in early august. in that week, a new copy of glasses had come out and the price of the SLK had gone down by £650, in just one month.

I know that depreciation like that can't last, but I wanted to be able to get *something* decent for my car so I could get a good replacement and hence the deal was done.

interestingly, I've been tracking the old dear on autotrader since I sold it, and it's gone down in price by over £1000 since it went on autotrader in early august.

would I consider a big petrol again? yes I would, as others have said, the sound and power delivery is great, but BMW do make a damn fine engine and the 3l inline 6 in my 330d is a very good powerplant. so far I'm happy :)

dave
 
it is much klike the houses. you buy and sell. i it goes up, you sell yours high and buy the replacememnt high. if it drops, you buy cheap and sell cheap.

As the prices for petrols tumble, it tumbles for everyone. only those affected ae those that bought before the new pricing.

And with the savings you make on a 4x4 now or a big petrol engine car repalcement on list price, you can offset that to the increased price in VED.
 
New technology may save petrol and hybrids too I guess. But at the mo it is a one way street. The 2 litre 'A180cdi' does 38% more mpg than the 2 litre petrol version. Ten per cent more for fuel is small beer with that economy.

Diesel is in so much demand now that i fear the prices may really fly up when the product gets scarce.
 
recycled said:
As the prices for petrols tumble, it tumbles for everyone. only those affected ae those that bought before the new pricing.

I'm not sure I agree. If the rate of depreciation for a petrol car is going to accelerate (as opposed to decelerate, which is what it has done historically), then it will potentially affect all owners of such cars regardless of when they bought them.
 
Diesel is in so much demand now that i fear the prices may really fly up when the product gets scarce.

Diesel is cheaper to refine than petrol. Its quite a heavy distillate and refiners make more profit on diesel than petrol. Even the low sulphur stuff is cheaper once the refinery is geared up to produce it.
So why is diesel dearer than petrol?
Dare I suggest nothing more than market forces. Because they can.
 
I'm not sure I agree. If the rate of depreciation for a petrol car is going to accelerate (as opposed to decelerate, which is what it has done historically), then it will potentially affect all owners of such cars regardless of when they bought them.


what i mean is if you bought your car pre 2001 and try to sell it now, you will take a big hit.
If you buy it now it would be cheap, when you come to sell it in 2 or 3 years time, you will not lose so much.
 
If things continue as they are then by the time the new VED rates apply large engined cars will be great great value.

If you do a low mileage (<6k per year) then the extra fuel costs won't be significant, and the extra VED will be about equivalent to an extra 3 tanks of fuel a year.

Seems like a buying opportunity to me......
 

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