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IanA2

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What to do when you are in a non fault incident.

Taken from Honest John.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring...mId=-1&view=DISPLAYCONTENT&grid=P8&targetRule


It rather nicely illustrates what I have said several times before and which some have doubted.


Bang to rights

A delivery vehicle reversed into my wife's car while she was stationary. She saw it coming, hung on to the horn, checked the rear mirror and went into reverse - but too late. A nearby pedestrian dashed over, checked she was all right, had a word with the delivery driver and provided all his witness details. No arguments, only apologies. The delivery driver acknowledged his error and I wrote to my wife's insurer, as is required by the policy, but made it plain she was not making an insurance claim. She was pursuing the driver and/or his employers since he was on company business. I then wrote to the company and the driver making it clear that my wife was claiming for her vehicle to be put back into the condition it was in before impact (11 years old but perfect). I notified them of the repairer we would use: a father-and-son local family business with a long history and well known for excellence. I was then asked by my wife's insurer to take the car to their "approved repairer" for assessment for the records. I did and the price quoted was £2,500. Her insurer then told me the cost exceeded the value of the car and they would pay only its value. I responded, telling them we were not claiming through them, but were pursuing the guilty party, through the Small Claims Court if necessary. I then received a telephone call from my wife's insurer telling me "this is not the way it works". I made it clear that it was the way it works for me, put the phone down and later changed insurer. But this was not the end. My chosen repairer quoted £1,300 for a first-class job (new bonnet and headlights etc) and I passed this on to the delivery company. A director of the company told me he would have no more contact with me - the matter was in the hands of his insurer. I wrote once more: "Repairs commence in seven days. Pay up or I will, and then see you in court." The company's insurer then wrote to my repairer agreeing to pay in full less the £100 excess that my wife had on her policy. I told my repairer to get on with the job and, if there was a £100 shortfall, I'd pay it and see the other party in court. I rang the company's insurer, made my position quite clear and was told that they'd written to the repairer after consultation with my wife's insurer. I made my position absolutely clear to them yet again, no room for doubt, and my repairer was paid in full.
P.V., Camberley


Many thanks for that illuminating story. We are both right to assume that insurers have taught their employees to believe a convenient and expedient way is correct in law when, of course, it isn't.
 
I'm a little confused (no remarks!) but basically are you saying that if you are in a non-fault accident, even if the repairs cost more than the car you have the right to have your car corrected to its' original condition (without getting it written off)?:)
 
We are missing a vital bit of information - the value of the car. we cna tell it's less than £2500, but not if it's more that £1300.
 
I'm a little confused (no remarks!) but basically are you saying that if you are in a non-fault accident, even if the repairs cost more than the car you have the right to have your car corrected to its' original condition (without getting it written off)?:)


That is exactly the case. You are entitled to insist that the Third Party's Ins Co put you back in the position you were in before the incident, regardless of cost.
 
We are missing a vital bit of information - the value of the car. we cna tell it's less than £2500, but not if it's more that £1300.

The value of the car is not relevant.
 
Interesting event, but how did the other insurance company know what excess the innocent party had, and I suppose what did it have to do with them anyway?

Unfortunately there is nothing in that article which corroborates what is being suggested; namely you can claim back more than the value of the vehicle!

The first insurance company stated the £2500 repair was more than the value of the car, but the second company agreed to pay the final figure of £1300? I personally have NO opinion either way but it would have been nice if the guilty party had agreed a figure in excess of the vehicles value.

Thanks very much though for posting this interesting link.

Regards
John
 
The other Ins Co were trying it on on the Excess front, it was nothing to do with them, as they clearly eventually decided.

John, I spent some of my mis-spent youth in "The Room" and some of the basics have stuck. What that chap did is exactly what I would do in the same situation, and I would expect to be returned to the position I was in prior to the incident regardless of cost.
 
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The other Ins Co were trying it on on the Excess front, it was nothing to do with them, as they clearly eventually decided.

John, I spent some of my mis-spent youth in "The Room" and some of the basics have stuck. What that chap did is exactly what I would do in the same situation, and I would expect to be returned to the position I was in prior to the incident regardless of cost.
My feeling entirely, hence the regret regarding not clarifying this very significant issue.

What on earth is 'The Room'

John
 
Unfortunately there is nothing in that article which corroborates what is being suggested; namely you can claim back more than the value of the vehicle!

First of all, I'm not a lawyer, rather just a bloke on 't Internet and my comments ought to be taken in that light ;).

Surely, the key consideration here is that of liability as defined in civil law? If someone inflicts damages on me and they are fully responsible, they have a legal duty under civil law to set those damages straight. What the market value of the vehicle is that has been damaged is therefore neither here nor there, the legal duty is to rectify the situation whatever the actual cost.

In claiming from your own insurance for the cost of a repair, the situation is quite different in that you claim on the basis of your contract with the insurance company, which likely has a clause in it that limits their payout to the value of your vehicle.

As I see it, in claiming for your damages from another party's insurance (with which you obviously have no contract), the other party's insurance is effectively fulfilling the liability obligations (as per civil law) of their client. As such, I don't see why their payout to me would in any way be restricted to the market value of the car.

The major barrier here is the issue of liability though and my reasoning assumes that there is no ambiguity about that, i.e. that the other party is entirely liable from a legal point of view...

Now, if only Swiss Toni was here...
 
Trading room at LLoyds.

I'll leave it to you to decide whether that's better than a cell..

However, I was going to add that you would probably learn more about Law and ethics from a cell...:rolleyes: :D
 
Here's a good one and yes I fully agree with both Ian and Guido.

Any E-class built after January 2004 will have a 'nano' based top coat. It is not possible for a bodyshop to supply this finish!

They might claim they can, they might say they can, but unless they travel to the spray plant in Germany and spray our car in that facility then we will just have to settle for ordinary, modern paint of the correct colour.

If we are involved in an incident that is not our fault then can we demand the car is restored to the condition it was in prior to the incident, which means a nano top coating?

I'm fully in agreement with what is said and over to the boys!

Regards
John
 
My immediate thought is that yes you could, assuming that the factory would do it.......someone will be along in a minute........:D
 
My immediate thought is that yes you could, assuming that the factory would do it.......someone will be along in a minute........:D
I cannot imagine for one minute that the factory would do it!!

Fire risk

Stopping the spraying production

It would be a non starter

So the question remains and it is a genuine and very reasonable question.

Our car is four years old, I have recently inspected it and only found one small chip. Nano top coating is a vast improvement on the previous paints.

Regards
John
 
If we are involved in an incident that is not our fault then can we demand the car is restored to the condition it was in prior to the incident, which means a nano top coating?

My personal opinion :D (not being a lawyer and all that ;)) is that you most definitely could demand that. After all, you're then just restoring the vehicle to its previous condition, not improving it.

If someone else is legally responsible for damages inflicted upon me, I see no grounds on which they could force me to settle for less than full reparations.
 
I cannot imagine for one minute that the factory would do it!!

Would they not have a dedicated "body shop" for this? I can imagine that there might be some demand for this.

Obviously, demanding the impossible might not fly in a court :devil:.
 

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