Jay walking

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Highway Code rule 170, pedestrians already crossing a side road, into which you are turning have the right of way and drivers must wait for them to cross. But clearly pedestrians shouldn't simply step out without checking it's safe to do so.

That's always been my understanding.

For a brief few years in the late 70's motorcycles were required to be fitted with an audible beeper when the indicators were in use for the obvious reason that it would be a safety reminder to turn them off. I find the beeper on my 79 BMW useful for another purpose. If I'm approaching a left turn any pedestrians who are still some yards from beginning to cross a side road are warned of my approach and intention. When I see the heads turn in response to the beeper I know they are aware of my approach and will generally not walk out into the road while I'm making the turn. If they have already begun to cross the road then of course I'll slow or stop.

 

[steviejay69]

Electric vehicles will up this game somewhat unless they are mandated with audible warnings.

 

[m80]

No argument with the pedestrian having the right to cross on a side road as mentioned.
Coming off a busy main road I wonder how many would be rear ended by a following impatient driver as they come to a halt.

Around here we have masses of wagons. They are either in a rush to get another load from the quarries, or dawdling as they wouldn't have time to get another load delivered.
One of those in a rush could be carnage.

 

[BTB 500]

Highway Code rule 170, pedestrians already crossing a side road, into which you are turning have the right of way and drivers must wait for them to cross. But clearly pedestrians shouldn't simply step out without checking it's safe to do so.

Yes, agreed. But I've certainly seen drivers beep at pedestrians already crossing a side road they were turning into, so I suspect this isn't understood by all.

 

[whitenemesis]

Yes, agreed. But I've certainly seen drivers beep at pedestrians already crossing a side road they were turning into, so I suspect this isn't understood by all.

I would say it isn't understood by the majority ...

 

[whitenemesis]

Electric vehicles will up this game somewhat unless they are mandated with audible warnings.

New noise systems to stop ‘silent’ electric cars and improve safety

From 1 July 2019 all manufacturers must install an acoustic sound system in new types of quiet electric and hybrid electric vehicles to improve road safety.

www.gov.uk

 

[Spider10]

My neighbours mitsubishi phev doesn't make a sound in reverse or turnig

 

[Actionmann]

Whilst I tend to agree with most of what has been said, surely if you are turning into a road and you see someone with a hood up (limited side vision) and clearly not concentrating who is approaching, your experience and observational skills will tell you that he/she/it is likely to step out into the road so you can take appropriate action.
Admittedly this doesn’t cover 100% of situations but we deal with idiot road users all the time.
And yes, I sometimes make mistakes or do something stupid.

And I thought a pedestrian crossing the road had priority?

For the record as we embark on a straw man Argument . When two people emerge from between two cars in traffic as you take a right turn past said stationary in traffic cars and there is a pelican crossing some 15 yards away it’s clear the foolish pedestrians are out of order. We are given a brain to use it not mash it.

 

[Actionmann]

Highway Code rule 170, pedestrians already crossing a side road, into which you are turning have the right of way and drivers must wait for them to cross. But clearly pedestrians shouldn't simply step out without checking it's safe to do so.

That is a differant scenario to mine . I thank you

 

[Actionmann]

Me turning right blobs walking between cars in front of me in juntctiin

 

[W1ghty]

Sadly it's Darwinism in reverse, because nine out of ten the motorist gets the blame regardless

But if you have a dashcam , that will go a long way to show that “said ringpiece” was trying to prove Darwin’s theory

 

[Actionmann]

But if you have a dashcam , that will go a long way to show that “said ringpiece” was trying to prove Darwin’s theory

Dash cams are the nuts.

 

[Actionmann]

Cyclist are not damn pedestrians. They are a different kind of entitlement, I can say that as I’m a cyclist. All get insurance then we are all in the frame and not victims.

 

[GrahamT]

Many years ago , before the days of the A16 Autoroute leading directly to the docks I was in a queue of traffic in the centre of Calais heading for the ferry. As I moved off with the flow of vehicles I was alarmed by frantic banging and shouting from behind me. A pedestrian had decided that it was perfectly OK to cross between me and the caravan I was towing !

 

[Actionmann]

Many years ago , before the days of the A16 Autoroute leading directly to the docks I was in a queue of traffic in the centre of Calais heading for the ferry. As I moved off with the flow of vehicles I was alarmed by frantic banging and shouting from behind me. A pedestrian had decided that it was perfectly OK to cross between me and the caravan I was towing !

Level of entitlement is life threatening. People are fools seriously

 

[anglaslt]

In the context of this discussion I think it's worth reminding that on 29 January 2022 there will be a new Highway Code published. There will be significant changes concerning the right of way for cyclists and pedestrians. Revisions will also include a new hierarchy of road ssers, which seems to imply that drivers involved in incidents with more vulnerable road users, ie cyclists or pedestrians, are more likely to be held responsible, Another change states drivers should stop and give way to pedestrians waiting to cross the road before turning into or out of junctions. This is a significant change to Rule 170. Loudly warning pedesrians you are about to turn into or out of a side road will not grant you a right of way.

I was interested when I first read of these proposed changes during the summer because they reflect almost exactly the existing traffic rules here in LT. Here pedestrians are given priority when crossing junctions and cars are expected to stop for pedestrians waiting or even approaching pedestrian crossings. In practice, and as a driver and a pedestrian, I don't see any downsides. Pedestrians are better protected, any delay is minimal and other drivers can anticipate vehicles having to slow or stop at juctions and crossings.

 

[Actionmann]

I drive, ride a walk defensively. I consider other road and sidewalk users.

In the context of this discussion I think it's worth reminding that on 29 January 2022 there will be a new Highway Code published. There will be significant changes concerning the right of way for cyclists and pedestrians. Revisions will also include a new hierarchy of road ssers, which seems to imply that drivers involved in incidents with more vulnerable road users, ie cyclists or pedestrians, are more likely to be held responsible, Another change states drivers should stop and give way to pedestrians waiting to cross the road before turning into or out of junctions. This is a significant change to Rule 170. Loudly warning pedesrians you are about to turn into or out of a side road will not grant you a right of way.

I was interested when I first read of these proposed changes during the summer because they reflect almost exactly the existing traffic rules here in LT. Here pedestrians are given priority when crossing junctions and cars are expected to stop for pedestrians waiting or even approaching pedestrian crossings. In practice I don't see any downsides. Pedestrians are better protected, any delay is minimal and other drivers can anticipate vehicles having to slow or stop at juctions and crossings.

The pedestrians today I nearly flattened were walking between cars in traffic that I was passing on my left as I turned right. To confirm for all those who go of on a tangent

 

[whitenemesis]

My neighbours mitsubishi phev doesn't make a sound in reverse or turnig

Depends on the model year (only 2019 onwards)? Perhaps it has been disabled?
I had a loan EV recently and the reversing/low speed sound was truly annoying and I would try and find a way to disable it.
I understand the reason for it but if reversing into my driveway late at night it would be embarrassing and it totally negates one of the benefits of EV

 

[Actionmann]

Depends on the model year (only 2019 onwards)? Perhaps it has been disabled?
I had a loan EV recently and the reversing/low speed sound was truly annoying and I would try and find a way to disable it.
I understand the reason for it but if reversing into my driveway late at night it would be embarrassing and it totally negates one of the benefits of EV

Get back or I’ll break your legs.

 

[W1ghty]

Many years ago , before the days of the A16 Autoroute leading directly to the docks I was in a queue of traffic in the centre of Calais heading for the ferry. As I moved off with the flow of vehicles I was alarmed by frantic banging and shouting from behind me. A pedestrian had decided that it was perfectly OK to cross between me and the caravan I was towing !

I remember hearing a story years ago . Cars are queuing at Dover for the ferry in their numbered lines , driver opens his door and gets out leaving it open as he wanders off . The door happens to be between a car towing a caravan in another lane , which then gets the signal to move off ,
you guessed it , drivers open door is torn forward