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Mercedes C220 estate help/guidence on buying

Muff666

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Hi
I'm finally going to buy the car I've now wanted for 3 years.
I'm off to look at a C220 estate sport with pan roof, on a 10 plate that has just done 100k.
I was hoping for some guidence from some of you guys as from the stuff I've read you know your sh*t. Anything I should look out for or should check.
Any help would be much appreciated and I'm looking forward to finally driving the car of my dreams.
Many thanks in advance
Max
 
Firstly , welcome to the forum .

Now , I may sound like the prophet of doom here , but please exercise caution .

I may have been particularly unlucky when I bought my 2003 C270CDI estate Avantgarde SE model a few years back . My car had just under 115,000 miles when I bought it , so only slightly more than the one you're looking at , and the consensus on this forum at the time was the 270 was the engine to go for .

Three weeks into ownership , the first diesel injector ( no 5 ) failed ( I was in Aberdeen for Christmas when it happened and had to drive the 150 miles home with it 'chuffing' , so it was knackered by the time I got back and took it to my local Indy ) , from memory that cost me something close to £500 :(

A few months later the no 4 injector followed suit and it was the same again - at this point I asked for the others to be checked , and was advised no's 2 & 3 should be replaced too - so that was an £1100 bill - the injectors alone are/were something like £270 each from Mercedes for the genuine items - so the garage weren't putting a lot of labour onto the bill .

When I bought the car , it had the well documented 'bouncing door lock' syndrome - a new drivers door lock was something like £90

I was also advised of a worn ball joint - unlike on the older cars where you could by a £12.50 ball joint on its own and fit it , on these cars you have to buy the complete suspension control arm at £150+ , and that's just for one ball joint - there are a few !

The rear wash wipe unit gave up - I found that water had leaked into the motor unit , seizing it ( the screen wash is pumped through the centre of the motor unit and up the wiper spindle - clever idea - but when wear occurs water gets where it shouldn't ) an aftermarket unit from Eurocarparts was about £200 , but I never got round to replacing it .

The heater was always poor and the car ran cool - so the thermostat ( apparently a common fault ) needed replacing - I never got round to it . There is also an electric block heater which may have been faulty .

One of the 'keys' stopped working - wouldn't start the car - and the other didn't always lock/unlock the car - keys are more than £200 each from MB .

Latterly , the car started dropping into 'limp mode' randomly , would sometimes clear , usually on restarting - this was diagnosed as inlet port motor failure - look up 'swirl flaps' - this was potentially a major repair , although there is a modification which involves removing the inlet manifold and removing said flaps , then inserting a resistor to fool the ECU that all is well . The car still had this fault when I disposed of it . The 'official' repair involves replacing the inlet manifold and motor unit and is fairly labour intensive . Again , this is quite a common problem .

Also , towards the end , the glow plug lamp started illuminating with the engine running - this indicates one or more faulty glow plugs .

Lastly , on a trip to Wales to collect an engine for one of my other cars in my trailer , the fifth injector failed ( when I had already done a deal to trade the car the following weekend - so it had to go in for one final repair .

Besides the above , I had also spent a bit on routine items : new battery , five new tyres just after purchase and two more about 18 months into ownership ( I kept it just under two years and did about 40,000 miles in it ) , all the usual oils and filters , brake discs and pads etc - routine stuff done at home by myself and anything 'tricky' done by my respected Indy ( Merparts in Port Glasgow ) .

When I traded it , the rear exhaust box was needing replaced , just starting to leak at the back end .

All of the above defects were pointed out to the new owner before trading .

Good points ?

Well , to give its due , when running well it was smooth and quiet , the seats were comfortable and the heaters were excellent for my sore back ! I was slightly disappointed that they were only half electric , with the fore and aft movements still manual - this seemed very strange after being used to full electric operation in my W124 and W126 cars ! Fuel economy ( the main reason I bought this car - my first foray into diesel cars , although I'd bought my girlfriend a diesel W124 E250D about a year earlier ) was excellent , with the computer showing 47 mpg average pretty much all the time , and could be coaxed above 50 if i was particularly light footed . The car did feel nice and solid , and the bodywork was pretty good , despite the reputation for rust , for an ( at the time ) 10 year old car . One of the attractions of this car was that it had a factory detachable towbar , which I used regularly to tow my trailer .

Negative impressions , apart from the unreliability , were that it seemed very cramped and claustrophobic inside , with limited space in the back - but then I was coming out of a LWB S-Class ( W126 500SEL ) into this car - the outward visibility of the C Class seemed very poor , with thick A pillars so close that at junctions you could lose entire cars behind them ! Also a black car with a black interior seemed very sombre - once at a funeral I was asked by the staff at the cemetery if I was the undertaker ! If you need the estate and are coming from something bigger , also be aware that the C Class is only a 'lifestyle' estate and not a real load lugger : I previously had two W124 estates and before them a W123 estate which had much larger load areas ; also , every 'E Class' estate has self levelling rear suspension , so they stay level no matter what you put in the back - this is an option on the C Class and few of them have it ! I'm a photographer and videographer , and often carry a lot of photo/video/lighting/audio kit in my cars , and compared to my previous estates , the C Class struggled to carry everything . Oh , and when I bought the car , it had one of those horrid , skinny 'space saver' wheels - so one of the first things I did was go down to the dealership and buy a 'proper' steel spare wheel , which fitted straight in the well under the floor .

I was so disappointed with this car , I went back to a W201 190E ( I'd had two previously ) which I got cheaply as a restoration project , and ran it alongside the C Class for a year without spending much on it - the only significant fault being cylinder head corrosion - hence the new engine , now in and running sweetly ( and upgrade from 1.8 to 2.3L ) .

I swapped ( literally ) the C Class for a R129 300SL , which is what I'm currently running , and can see me getting another W124 estate at some point to complete my fleet with another load lugger . Speaking recently to the chap I swapped cars with , to remind him the C Class MOT was due , he told me it was off the road due to turbo failure ! ( I also have a friend with a C320 which is off the road for the same reason - but he has just bought a W123 300D to replace it ) .

My girlfriend's E250D was actually a very good car , although a bit pedestrian being a normally aspirated diesel , and she just felt it was too big , so she swapped it for a diesel Golf which was also a very good car . The E250D was sold onto another member here , he ran it for a while before exporting it to Hong Kong , which took it back closer to its origins since it was assembled in India !

Now , I may have been particularly unlucky with my C270 , certainly more than most , but all of the problems I outlined above are fairly commonplace and you will read of others on this forum who have experienced one or another of them - so please be wary , and give your car a good check over before buying .

I sincerely wish you good luck .
 
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I think that pontoneers c class was a lot older than the car you're looking at, and maybe built when Mercedes quality was at it's lowest

Generally speaking the newer cars are better

Someone I am sure will come along with some specific advice

I hope you enjoy the car when you get it
 
Yes , mine was a W203 and 10 years old at the time , while the OP is looking at a W204 ( its successor ) and a six year old example .

While it is true that quality has improved , the OP is considering a 100,000 mile car ( only 15K less than the one I bought ) , so higher annual mileage .

While I would be the first to concede that I was particularly unlucky , I think it is fair to say that on a 100,000 mile car there is the potential for any of the things that went wrong with my car to be just over the horizon with this one - hence my list of faults was meant as a checklist for the OP to eliminate potential problems .

Some of my general comments about size and load capacity will apply equally to the 204 estate as they do to the 203 estate I had since they are not that very different .
 
My first MB was a 2001 S203 C270 with 60k when I bought it - so similar to Pontoneer but lower mileage. MAF failed within a month, fixed under warranty. Thermostat failed, cost about £70 to get replaced. Had problems with the tailgate washer -my fault, did not have enough anti-freeze in the screenwash fluid and it froze. Other than that, car was excellent.

Swopped it for a 2008 S204 C220 Elegance in March 2012, again 60k miler, one owner and ful MB service history. Car now has about 80k on it, I've had to replace front discs/pads and rear pads plus routine servicing, other than that (touch wood rapidly) car has been faultless. Changed the standard 16" Elegance wheels for 17" last summer, good decision - car is more precise to drive and ride quality is still excellent, so I'd recommend that shoice.
 
Not too sure why Pontoneer is talking about the S203 when you've asked about the S204 but.......

I've just sold mine but I owned a facelift S204 C220 CDi for six months and it was a cracking car; had 122k miles on the clock when I sold it and it was still very tight. If I wasn't such a big lump I'd definitely buy another; the sports seats just weren't designed for anyone over 5'10 and more than 13stone..,
 
Sorry to jump the thread but does anyone knows if 204 rear left door from 4 door fits into estate?
 

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