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Mobile phone use.

lewyboy said:
So what is the solution?
Education. Listen to the evidence. Use your brain.


New research reveals that using a hands-free phone is just as distracting as using a handheld mobile phone
Driving while talking on a hands-free phone can be as distracting as talking on a hand-held mobile, psychologists at the University of Sussex say.

The study, published in the Transportation Research journal, found that drivers having conversations which sparked their visual imagination detected fewer road hazards than those who didn’t. They also focused on a smaller area of the road ahead of them and failed to see hazards, even when they looked directly at them. This shows the risks of even hands-free phone conversations.

The researchers found that conversations may use more of the brain’s visual processing resources than previously understood. Having a conversation which requires the driver to use their visual imagination creates competition for the brain’s processing capacity, which results in drivers missing road hazards that they might otherwise have spotted.

Dr Graham Hole, Senior Lecturer in Psychology at the University of Sussex, said:

“A popular misconception is that using a mobile phone while driving is safe as long as the driver uses a hands-free phone. Our research shows this is not the case. Hands-free can be equally distracting because conversations cause the driver to visually imagine what they’re talking about. This visual imagery competes for processing resources with what the driver sees in front of them on the road.

“Our findings have implications for real-life mobile phone conversations. The person at the other end of the phone might ask “where did you leave the blue file?”, causing the driver to mentally search a remembered room. The driver may also simply imagine the facial expression of the person they’re talking to.

“Clearly this research isn’t a green light to use hand-held mobile phones while driving, however. The use of hand-held phones was made illegal primarily because they interfere with vehicle control; but our study adds to a mounting body of research showing that both hand-held and hands-free phones are dangerously distracting for drivers. The only ‘safe’ phone in a car is one that's switched off.

The study, which tracked eye movements, also found that drivers who were distracted suffered from “visual tunnelling.” They tended to focus their eyes on a small central region directly ahead of them. This led them to miss hazards in their peripheral vision. Undistracted participants’ eye movements ranged over a much wider area.

Dr Hole said:

“Conversations are more visual than we might expect, leading drivers to ignore parts of the outside world in favour of their inner ‘visual world’ – with concerning implications for road safety.”

The Sussex psychologists ran two experiments in which participants performed a video-based hazard-detection task. In the first experiment, participants were either undistracted, or distracted by listening to sentences and deciding whether they were true or false. For half of these distracted participants, the sentences encouraged the use of visual imagery (e.g. “a five pound note is the same size as a ten pound note”) whereas for the other half, the sentences did not (e.g. “Leap years have 366 days”). All of the distracted participants were slower to respond to hazards, detected fewer hazards and made more ‘looked but failed to see’ errors, meaning their eyes focused on a hazard but they didn’t actually see it. These impairments were worse for the participants who were distracted by imagery-inducing statements.

Dr Hole says anything which causes drivers to imagine something visually, including passengers, can interfere with driving performance because the two tasks compete for similar processing resources.

He said:

“However, chatty passengers tend to pose less of a risk than mobile phone conversations. They will usually moderate the conversation when road hazards arise. Someone on the other end of a phone is oblivious to the other demands on the driver and so keeps talking. And talking in person involves non-verbal cues which ease the flow of conversation. Phone conversations are more taxing because they lack these cues.”

In the second experiment, the researchers compared undistracted participants to ones who were distracted by a different visual imagery task. This involved mentally moving around an imaginary grid in response to verbal instructions. Distracted participants were more likely to miss hazards in their peripheral vision due to the “visual tunnelling.”

'Imagery-inducing distraction leads to cognitive tunnelling and deteriorated driving performance' is published in in the Transportation Research journal, authored by Gemma F Briggs (now at the Open University but conducted while at the University of Sussex), Graham J Hole and Michael F Land (University of Sussex).

Posted on behalf of: School of Psychology
Further information: http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.trf.2016.01.007
Last updated: Wednesday, 8 June 2016

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So what is the solution?

I have absolutely no idea. Clearly whatever has been discussed on the national news has had zero impact on this tiny sample today. I suspect that that my little observation is typical of what is happening every moment of every day.

Simply put:

1) People have no fear of any consequence resulting from their actions.
2) We have no viable Policing to enforce any law that may make an impact on 1

We live in a society where a large amount of it has no respect for their fellow humans. What we have on our roads, is at some points akin to anarchy.

The law breaks down when it cannot be enforced. We see this in studies of drink drivers. Many, when questioned, see little chance of being caught by the Police and genuinely believe that they will not crash. Some are convinced that their driving improved by drinking!!


Society has changed but the law makers have not kept pace with this change. We look for the law to protect us when maybe the protection lies within us and how we educate our children by example and real deeds and not by television and video games.

My eldest daughter is "learning" to drive now. But it is not learning to drive!! It is being taught how to pass the test. There is no fear instilled into pupils about the power that they now have, should they abuse it. My daughter is being told to look in the rear view mirror lots and make it clear that she is doing so. That way "the tester sees you looking in the mirror"

Nothing about safety or common sense. Just about passing the test and getting out there. My colleague tells me his daughter passed and he is genuinely horrified at her lack of awareness of any other traffic or road users. He describes it as gut wrenching waiting at home for safe return. But they then buy her a Fiat Arbath as a "little learners car".
 
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So what is the solution?

Well you have a horn...when I used mine last night at a guy who was constantly on his smart phone he looked really sheepish and put the phone down.

These people stand out like a sore thumb...standing still when the traffic moves forward. Will he do it again...probably.
 
brucemillar said:
I have absolutely no idea. Clearly whatever has been discussed on the national news has had zero impact on this tiny sample today. I suspect that that my little observation is typical of what is happening every moment of every day. Simply put: 1) People have no fear of any consequence resulting from their actions. 2) We have no viable Policing to enforce any law that may make an impact on 1 We live in a society where a large amount of it has no respect for their fellow humans. What we have on our roads, is at some points akin to anarchy. The law breaks down when it cannot be enforced. We see this in studies of drink drivers. Many, when questioned, see little chance of being caught by the Police and genuinely believe that they will not crash. Some are convinced that their driving improved by drinking!! Society has changed but the law makers have not kept pace with this change. We look for the law to protect us when maybe the protection lies within us and how we educate our children by example and real deeds and not by television and video games. My eldest daughter is "learning" to drive now. But it is not learning to drive!! It is being taught how to pass the test. There is no fear instilled into pupils about the power that they now have, should they abuse it. My daughter is being told to look in the rear view mirror lots and make it clear that she is doing so. That way "the tester she's you looking in the mirror" Nothing about safety or common sense. Just about passing the test and getting out there. My colleague tells my his daughter passed and he is genuinely horrified at her lack of awareness of any other traffic or road users. He describes it as gut wrenching waiting at home for safe return. BUut they then buy her a Fiat Arbath as a "little learners car".
I completely agree. That's why I say education has to be the way to go. The "look in the rear view mirror" is an excellent example of the failings with our current system. Nobody is taught to assimilate the information provided in the rear view mirror and act accordingly. Likewise we hear "don't use your mobile phone or you may get fined/points". We need to understand what's happening, else we tend to ignore the warnings. This forum alone has shown how a group of apparently reasonably well educated and experienced drivers still don't understand. It's far from being an easy one to solve.
 
I find in traffic where it's feasible to wind your window down and angrily shout "get off your effing phone you 'rose thorn' " in full earshot of everyone else does the trick
 
Eldest daughter was visibly shocked when Kent Fire & Rescue held an "open day"at her school. She said that they were warned that they would be shown graphic images, and they were. They also met a teenager who had been a passenger in a car that crashed when the driver (their friend) was texting. Three died in that car!!

But this is a tiny sample. So for her shock and caution, there will (I suspect) be hundreds, who just don't care, or have no awareness of the potential impact of their actions.

My daughter stated that even when they were confronted by the young lady who survived that crash, then asked what they thought of the driver. Most answered that they "felt sorry for her" or she "made one mistake".

One mistake that killed three people is a big mistake. I think we will have to rely on technology in new cars, that blocks phone usage as education is so limited in its penetration.

We already have this for video and see it de-activated, so maybe even that does not provide an answer.
 
The issue is a by product of advances in technology, maybe the solution should be a technological one?
 
Airplane mode via Bluetooth upon entry would stop any signals if it was an automatic feature

Although I wouldn't want them banned as I do take a lot of work calls when I'm out and about, reactive jobs where the phone call would be needed to have the job done as I wouldn't see my work calendar updated otherwise
 
lewyboy said:
The issue is a by product of advances in technology, maybe the solution should be a technological one?
Maybe. But there would be an inevitable cost to this, a cost that we'd all have to pay. I was about to write that I object to paying for something that stops people doing what I don't do, but perhaps not. It could stop someone else killing me or one of my loved ones, so well worth it.
 
^ I know this is off at a tangent, but at times people looking in their rear view mirror impairs there ability to drive down a bloody road.

Re mobiles, I don't get it, in the age of Bluetooth, voice recognition, mobile integration and car play software, there is no reason your calls, Facebook, emails, texts or route guidance should distract you.

Today I was even using Siri to send text messages to to a family group to warn of particular road risks, then on a call to arrange new business bank accounts, whilst using Waze satnav....
 
^ I know this is off at a tangent, but at times people looking in their rear view mirror impairs there ability to drive down a bloody road.

Re mobiles, I don't get it, in the age of Bluetooth, voice recognition, mobile integration and car play software, there is no reason your calls, Facebook, emails, texts or route guidance should distract you.

Today I was even using Siri to send text messages to to a family group to warn of particular road risks, then on a call to arrange new business bank accounts, whilst using Waze satnav....

You have clearly missed some of the posts on this threads. Holding the conversation etc...is the distraction.
 
I work in a school and we also have the Fire and rescue Demo's as mentioned above. I believe with a sustained effort it is possible to educate the vast majority of young people on the dangers of mobile phone use while driving.

Mobile phones became a major cause of disruption in schools until they were banned. The problem was not dissimilar to driving in that mobile use in schools was allowed to become the norm for too long before it was brought under control.

It's the same with mobiles and driving. The problem has been allowed to get out of hand and now we face a real up hill struggle to get on top of the problem. But if the general public are the same as school children and I think they are, it can be turned around with a sustained effort. Not a new initiative every 5 mins, just a simple sustained publicity campaign together with appropriate deterrents.

Confiscation is a powerful deterrent. For a pupils 2nd offence the phone isn't given back until a parent comes into school to collect it and the parents really don't like having to do that.

Similarly confiscation and a trip to the police station might work for drivers.
 
Didn't he have a model 29...chambered for the .44 magnum?

I'm no gun expert , but he refers to it in some of the films .

Regardless , Clint appearing at the car window , pointing a big gun at them , would make most drop the phone , and the contents of their bowels :devil:
 
Airplane mode via Bluetooth upon entry would stop any signals if it was an automatic feature

Although I wouldn't want them banned as I do take a lot of work calls when I'm out and about, reactive jobs where the phone call would be needed to have the job done as I wouldn't see my work calendar updated otherwise

I was thinking along the same lines but it would need a fair bit of adaptation.

If the phone detected motion via GPS it could shut down unless bluetooth is connected, however, wouldn't sit well with car/rail/bus passengers and would need adapting to close text/facebook/email etc.
 
lewyboy said:
I was thinking along the same lines but it would need a fair bit of adaptation. If the phone detected motion via GPS it could shut down unless bluetooth is connected, however, wouldn't sit well with car/rail/bus passengers and would need adapting to close text/facebook/email etc.

That could be easily done with a mandatory app which, upon connectivity to Bluetooth, switches the phone to airplane mode. Such an easy thing to do

Regarding Bluetooth, I use that as an example as every time I get into my car or van I'll get a notification it's connected (even iPhone maps says how long a journey home will take) so it would be a sure fire way of determining the phone is in the vehicle owned by the owner. Of course it would have to be mandatory to actually connect someone's main phone to the car, would require honesty as to only having one phone or using someone else's vehicle etc etc but that's something they'd have to work on to get around and enforce

So the premise is there in phones already, just needs a few little adjustments to have the ball rolling
 
That school idea is good of confiscating. It would bother more people if it disrupted their routine, like having to go to the impound to collect their vehicle, or like (back in the day) having to go to a certain police station to provide a producer document
 

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