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NEW TAX RULES and EV SALES

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<div class="bbWrapper"><a href="https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/new-tax-rules-herald-ev-sales-boom" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">New tax rules herald EV sales boom | Autocar</a><br /> As per thread title -- new TAX rules on EV together with increasing inner city restrictions are predicted to drive a sales boom of EV vehicles. What it may also reveal of course is a lack of supporting charging infrastructure and a dearth of affordable new EV supplies to service this demand!<img src="/styles/mbclub/smilies/dk.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":dk:" title="Dk :dk:" data-shortname=":dk:" /></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 28583" data-quote="moonloops" data-source="post: 2851550" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=2851550" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-2851550">moonloops said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> No more new petrol, diesel or hybrid cars after 2035 now. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Since I’ll be 77 then , if I’m still around , I won’t be caring .<br /> <br /> If I’m still driving, I certainly won’t be buying new cars then .</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 136031" data-quote="slade1" data-source="post: 2851548" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=2851548" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-2851548">slade1 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Where is the lost revenue coming from? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote> From increased taxation on existing the ICE vehicle fleet ? In terms of EV taxation you can't derive tax revenue from what doesn't exist. I am confident that once enough EV's exist on the roads the government will find a way to tax them. Its the old carrot and stick routine. Cynics might argue these latest moves are essentially environmental tokenism and unrealistic. What it does mean however is new car buyers in the future will increasingly have to decide to &quot;go with the flow&quot; or continue to swim against the prevailing current, but depending on their individual circumstance they may not have a choice either way. Guess all I am saying is that, like them or not, as Mercedes owners we would be wise not to just ignore these recent developments.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">How people in our street would charge electric cars is anyones guess.<br /> Our street is all terrace housing with on street parking and no guarantee of getting parked anywhere near your own house.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">It looks like businesses are going the whole hog and installing charging points at the premises. Home charging need not feature - through the working week at least.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">A lot of office blocks have multi storey car parks so not sure how that would work.<br /> Also where I work on a business park the owner is not going to install 40+ chargers on the site.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">I just wander if the legislators have any idea or a knowledge of Lithium mining, production, and environmental impact. This is going to cost us all dearly, in every aspect.<br /> <a href="https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2019/02/lithium-is-fueling-technology-today-at-what-cost/" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">This metal is powering today's technology—at what price?</a></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">To me a big barrier to private purchase of EVs is that they are still too expensive to buy and depreciate too much. If the objective of the new rules is to drive widespread ownership of EVs then there is some logic in tax concessions for EV company cars. Many of the IC cars enter the used market as ex company cars so encouraging companies to purchase EVs will eventually feed the market with used ones which are more affordable.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 147366" data-quote="Mikesmith29" data-source="post: 2851574" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=2851574" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-2851574">Mikesmith29 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> A lot of office blocks have multi storey car parks so not sure how that would work. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Pretty easily I'd imagine - beef up the supply that exists for lighting.<br /> <br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 147366" data-quote="Mikesmith29" data-source="post: 2851574" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=2851574" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-2851574">Mikesmith29 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Also where I work on a business park the owner is not going to install 40+ chargers on the site. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> They will - or lose their employees to a firm that will. Unless of course there's a will to reimburse the employee's BIK being paid on an ICE car. Charge points will be cheaper.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 79045" data-quote="MercedesDriver" data-source="post: 2851575" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=2851575" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-2851575">MercedesDriver said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I just wander if the legislators have any idea or a knowledge of Lithium mining, production, and environmental impact. This is going to cost us all dearly, in every aspect.<br /> <a href="https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2019/02/lithium-is-fueling-technology-today-at-what-cost/" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">This metal is powering today's technology—at what price?</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> This just highlights a simple truth, anything we do has consequences. It's not as if fossil fuel extraction and processing is good for the planet or the people living in and around it.<br /> <br /> At least once it's extracted, lithium can be recycled and re-used. The only recycling that happens with fossil fuels is back into carbon dioxide.<br /> <br /> The negative consequences certainly shouldn’t be ignored, but realistically, what else is Man going to do when a boom comes along?</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">Even in the most up to date countries EV charge points are still relatively rare . The Hotel I stayed in while working in Denmark only had place for 2 EV's in their underground, one of the reasons my boss used to scoot off early in his Tesla to bag one of the plug's , especially if he was driving home to Sweden the next day , his trip was about 200 miles, but he liked to have a full charge.<br /> Most of the car parks in the UK whether under/at an hotel or in a shopping complex are owned and operated by private companies what will their incentive be to install charge points in virtually every space ?...Hospitals ? thats another one altogether !</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 126969" data-quote="Chris-S" data-source="post: 2851584" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=2851584" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-2851584">Chris-S said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> The negative consequences certainly shouldn’t be ignored, but realistically, what else is Man going to do when a boom comes along? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>The only real alternative to fossil fuels is hydrogen.<br /> It's clean and it is available.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 79045" data-quote="MercedesDriver" data-source="post: 2851575" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=2851575" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-2851575">MercedesDriver said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I just wander if the legislators have any idea or a knowledge of Lithium mining, production, and environmental impact. This is going to cost us all dearly, in every aspect.<br /> <a href="https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2019/02/lithium-is-fueling-technology-today-at-what-cost/" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">This metal is powering today's technology—at what price?</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Lot's of big holes and spoil heaps to get the raw material out of the ground plus of course the processing costs!</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 33841" data-quote="Bellow" data-source="post: 2851573" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=2851573" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-2851573">Bellow said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> It looks like businesses are going the whole hog and installing charging points at the premises. Home charging need not feature - through the working week at least. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Just as an example of the lack of joined-up thinking here, don't forget that many employers are now subjected to a Workplace Parking Levy to discourage the use of cars for commuting, and many other employers have restrictions on the availability of parking - either because of the location of the premises, or because it was a condition of planning permission. Workplace charging will be possible for some, but I suspect it won't be anywhere the number needed. <blockquote data-attributes="member: 33841" data-quote="Bellow" data-source="post: 2851582" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=2851582" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-2851582">Bellow said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Pretty easily I'd imagine - beef up the supply that exists for lighting. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Really? All premises have hard limits on the capacity of the incoming bearer so in many cases that will be an absolute non-starter without massive investment, perhaps as far back as local sub-stations or beyond.<br /> <br /> These sort of policies that are likely to cause a very rapid and significant shift in demand rarely succeed because the consequences haven't been thought through.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 126185" data-quote="Petrol Pete" data-source="post: 2851587" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=2851587" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-2851587">Petrol Pete said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Even in the most up to date countries EV charge points are still relatively rare . The Hotel I stayed in while working in Denmark only had place for 2 EV's in their underground, one of the reasons my boss used to scoot off early in his Tesla to bag one of the plug's , especially if he was driving home to Sweden the next day , his trip was about 200 miles, but he liked to have a full charge.<br /> Most of the car parks in the UK whether under/at an hotel or in a shopping complex are owned and operated by private companies what will their incentive be to install charge points in virtually every space ?...Hospitals ? thats another one altogether ! </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>I'd imagine that nearly everyone could get to the hospital and back on a full charge or less, mine is an 8 mile round trip, in fact am taking my Mum there this afternoon, I'd hope to use very little petrol.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">I do wonder how this is going to work.<br /> The fast chargers that can charge cars in 30 mins or so are 100Kw and the smaller ones 50Kw.<br /> Home charges are 7Kw<br /> 100Kw = 33 kettles boiling for 30 minutes<br /> 50Kw = 16 kettles for 1 hour<br /> 7Kw = 2 kettles boiling for 13 hours<br /> <br /> The UK is currently home to some 30 million cars. If we all change to EV.. erm lights out time..</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 15887" data-quote="st13phil" data-source="post: 2851597" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=2851597" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-2851597">st13phil said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Just as an example of the lack of joined-up thinking here, don't forget that many employers are now subjected to a Workplace Parking Levy to discourage the use of cars for commuting, and many other employers have restrictions on the availability of parking - either because of the location of the premises, or because it was a condition of planning permission. Workplace charging will be possible for some, but I suspect it won't be anywhere the number needed.Really? All premises have hard limits on the capacity of the incoming bearer so in many cases that will be an absolute non-starter without massive investment, perhaps as far back as local sub-stations or beyond.<br /> <br /> These sort of policies that are likely to cause a very rapid and significant shift in demand rarely succeed because the consequences haven't been thought through. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Valid points I don't dispute (that there is already wiring there (multistory) does ease installation of more cabling though) but my point is if this is to be done, it is to be done with whatever is at hand. Or it doesn't happen. I'm ambivalent to EV for a number of reasons but given ICE is soon to be no more, if we are to retain mobility than EV is the only game in town and I can view this initiative as advancing that cause.<br /> <br /> I wonder what discussions took place when petrol was only sold by chemists and there was a need for an enhanced supply network.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">This whole green thing change over to EV's is complete bullsh1t.</div>
 
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