Not Only Mercedes Suffering Serious Corrosion Issues (Honda Civic 2007)

[pmcgsmurf]

Given the amount we are seeing about serious corrosion issues on some modern Mercedes I thought this appropriate.

One of the boys 2007 Honda Civic went in for an MOT.
Never had any mention of corrosion on any of the previous MOTs.
Last few years only tyres, brake discs and a leaking shock ever mentioned.

This year though we have:

• Sub-frame corroded but not seriously weakened rear axle (5.3.3 (b) (i))
• Nearside Rear Suspension component mounting prescribed area is corroded but not considered excessive (5.3.6 (a) (i))
• Offside Rear Suspension component mounting prescribed area is corroded but not considered excessive (5.3.6 (a) (i))
• Seat belt anchorage prescribed area is corroded but not considered excessive both floor pan areas (7.1.1 (a) (i))

These are not even the failures but after a look the car is in a bad way.
Going to be scrapped by the looks of it.

My 1963 Imp has less rust than this car!

 

[Justintyme]

Given the amount we are seeing about serious corrosion issues on some modern Mercedes I thought this appropriate.

One of the boys 2007 Honda Civic went in for an MOT.
Never had any mention of corrosion on any of the previous MOTs.
Last few years only tyres, brake discs and a leaking shock ever mentioned.

This year though we have:

• Sub-frame corroded but not seriously weakened rear axle (5.3.3 (b) (i))
• Nearside Rear Suspension component mounting prescribed area is corroded but not considered excessive (5.3.6 (a) (i))
• Offside Rear Suspension component mounting prescribed area is corroded but not considered excessive (5.3.6 (a) (i))
• Seat belt anchorage prescribed area is corroded but not considered excessive both floor pan areas (7.1.1 (a) (i))

These are not even the failures but after a look the car is in a bad way.
Going to be scrapped by the looks of it.

My 1963 Imp has less rust than this car!

Well, Pat if the Honda Civic got half the care and attention your Imps got, that would not surprise me. But having said that, I'm a bit surprised at the Honda having such rust..... is it from the winter road coatings, or is in near a seaside location? It does sound a bit exceptional.

 

[pmcgsmurf]

Well, Pat if the Honda Civic got half the care and attention your Imps got, that would not surprise me. But having said that, I'm a bit surprised at the Honda having such rust..... is it from the winter road coatings, or is in near a seaside location? It does sound a bit exceptional.

Only used around here so not a lot of difference to the other cars.
My conclusion is that "most" fairly modern cars are simply $hit.

Examply of a brake hose on this Honda. EEK


Terrible ot think a year ago it was fine and passed a (good) MOT with no problem yet this year it looks like this.

 

[Smiley]

I'm surprised that passed the MoT. By contrast a family member has just bought a Ford Focus (same year 2007) and it is remarkably rust free - just a tiny bit at the bottom of one front wing underneath the plastic cover, apart from that all clean and rust free including all brake and fuel lines. Puts similar age Mercedes to shame.

 

[Rich764089]

Only used around here so not a lot of difference to the other cars.
My conclusion is that "most" fairly modern cars are simply $hit.

Examply of a brake hose on this Honda. EEK
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Terrible ot think a year ago it was fine and passed a (good) MOT with no problem yet this year it looks like this.

Yikes that's bad! I have a 2006 honda to MOT next week. Worrying now!

 

[SpikyMikey]

Only used around here so not a lot of difference to the other cars.
My conclusion is that "most" fairly modern cars are simply $hit.

Examply of a brake hose on this Honda. EEK
View attachment 118992

Terrible ot think a year ago it was fine and passed a (good) MOT with no problem yet this year it looks like this.

Is there also a bolt that has recently gone AWOL (top centre of your photo)?

 

[poormansporsche]

Was it UK built civic as I thought they were supposed to have more underbody protection than the Japanese built ones ?

 

[markjay]

Any car can corrode, for a whole range of reasons, the question is if it's a 'common issue'....

While neither my previous W203 not my current W204 showed any sign of corrosion (yet....), I have to say that whatever minor issues I did have where all 'common issues', which is a bit disappointing.

 

[pmcgsmurf]

Is there also a bolt that has recently gone AWOL (top centre of your photo)?

Took me best part of 2 hours to get that bolt out.

You have to take the 3 bolts out, disconnect the brake pipe and lower the bracket to get to a bolt that comes down from the top to hold on the square bracket of the brake hose.

Might have a look again today/tomorrow.
I can see the pipe/hose being cut, twist the assembly off and if it all breaks I'll have to reach out to a mate that works in the Honda garage (what would we do without mates) for new brackets or might just fabricate something.

Needs to be safe to drive to scrap.

 

[pmcgsmurf]

Was it UK built civic as I thought they were supposed to have more underbody protection than the Japanese built ones ?

No idea sorry.

 

[markjay]

We bought a new Toyota Previa in 1997, about 10 years ago it was eventually taken to a warm South European country and parked all year round 200yd from the beach to be used as our summer holiday transport. We had it scrapped last year due to a combination of little use, high costs (insurance and tax), and me not trusting 23 years old rubber suspension bushings etc for motorway driving (even if they were made in Japan). But... it had no rust whatsoever, not even in those places where the paintwork was damaged and bare metal was showing... I guess that the phrase "they don't build them like that any more" has never been truer.

 

[Fastcar155]

Hi , I have a 1996 Mitsubishi Pajero I used in Japan from new and so impressed with car that I shipped the car back to UK.

Shogun's do fare so well in UK !

 

[OneForTheRoad]

Hi , I have a 1996 Mitsubishi Pajero I used in Japan from new and so impressed with car that I shipped the car back to UK.

Shogun's do fare so well in UK !

Is that why most have been scrapped. ?

 

[Bendo]

If you are scraping it, see what you get offered by these Scrap My Car with Online Quote & Free collection - Car.co.uk they paid 350 for my S40 at the start if June and collected it too.

 

[Petrol Pete]

Is that why most have been scrapped. ?

A number of years ago my mother in law bought a high mileage zero service history Japanese import Mitsubishi Pajero short wheelbase 'top of the range' it was .It had all of the rear door tool kit along with the OEM plug in torch and the factory issue road flare in the glovebox and an indecipherable Japanese handbook.

She just went out and bought it without asking me or her fully grown up (teacher by profession) son or her elder (farming / military) grandsons their opinions . women eh? How dare she !

This thing was 'loaded' It had dual batteries and every possible extra for such an old car and survived on just basic servicing . The cam belt snapped once and was an easy fix with just one rocker replaced.

What killed it's road use in the end ? ...rust , all 4 chassis mounting points were rotten . The car lived out its final years as a farm tool (no MOT required) probably still in use somewhere.

Back on topic , The 2007 Honda Civic with rust issues ? . it was 100% built in Swindon, by 2007 they were building 250K of them a year for the world market . can't imagine they are all like this .

But the photos don't lie.

 

[markjay]

A young relative just bought a 04 Honda CRV with 140,00 miles on the clock as a runabout, I was realy surprised at its great condition and how well it drove and looked. When he's done with it, it's destined to end-up in the family holiday place in NI, which is apparently located two miles away from the nearest paved road.....

 

[Bellow]

A mate bought a used subframe and rear axle from an early 2000s fortwo from London. They were like brand new. We deduced that London roads aren't salted as Scottish ones are.

 

[Tonygw]

I had a honda accord that was heading for a similar amount of corrosion.

I don't think japanese cars have that much corrosion protection on them generally. I also think they sometimes use a cheaper grade of steel.. Especially of the 2000-2010 era.. Maybe they are better now.

I had an old honda civic "S" registration which I coated the underside in waxoyle when I first got the car with 28K on it. At 150K and 6 years later the MOT tester said it looked like new underneath still, and was amazed. I now use waxoyle or recently Dinitrol ML to protect both our cars as a matter of course..

Unfortunately many owners wont and thats when the issues we see like this creep in. The UK uses a lot of salt on the roads and is generally a wet country.. so protection against rust is a requirement.

It seems to be the killer of most cars these days.

 

[Justintyme]

Yes, but I owned an 2003 Audi A6, and it was an UK car,250000 klms, no rust anywhere. Was one of the best cars I ever owned.

 

[pmcgsmurf]

Pig of a job on the little Honda but at least I now know all the brake pipes and hoses are good.







Of course none of the brake unions would undo so all needed cut off and new pipes made up.

Also replaced all the hoses rather than just the failed ones.