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Slightly worried about crossing red traffic lights - I have mitigating circumstances in my favour

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 4276" data-quote="MSG2004" data-source="post: 3454623" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=3454623" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-3454623">MSG2004 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> There is not. However, at times if there is a mass of traffic on a main road/s/junctions at times the ones with nose-to-tail vehicles are allowed a lot more time and you can wait up to close to 3 - 4 mins<br /> <br /> I've also had incidences on another section of the road about 2 miles down where the red light on my side is skipped a go as the crossing traffic is heavy and you have to wait a second time around chance on the green and that is around 4 mins IIRC<br /> <br /> Call &quot;101&quot; as stated by an earlier post, all I can do at that is <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="😂" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f602.png" title="Face with tears of joy :joy:" data-shortname=":joy:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" /> - I'm not sure if anyone tried to call 101, but itcan take yonks to get through and as a driver, you should be aware of the highway code and thankfully this element of it came to mind and common sense helped me. The post here was just to seek some support, feel good see what others thought and I've got that. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Calling 101 from the traffic lights is hilarious!</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">Sounds like you are relatively safe if there wasn’t a camera on the traffic lights.<br /> On the other hand is there a period of time that once elapsed you can feel safe and free from prosecution?</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 151377" data-quote="MrGreedy" data-source="post: 3454616" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=3454616" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-3454616">MrGreedy said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Surely there isn't a traffic light in the land that takes more than 5 minutes to change? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> The issue with these things is that you have a very short space of time to convince a magistrate that the traffic lights were faulty, and good luck getting it in writing from whatever authority that maintains these lights.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 134434" data-quote="fourwheels" data-source="post: 3454636" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=3454636" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-3454636">fourwheels said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Sounds like you are relatively safe if there wasn’t a camera on the traffic lights.... </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> How else can he be prosecuted? Even in the unlikely event that another motorist decides to send to the police the footage of him commiting the offence, the police force will have to be really not busy, and have lots of bored officers, in order to actually deal with it... Additionally, the footage will need to clearly show the car travelling and the red light, which realistically can only be taken from the car behind him....</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 4276" data-quote="MSG2004" data-source="post: 3454623" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=3454623" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-3454623">MSG2004 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Call &quot;101&quot; as stated by an earlier post, all I can do at that is <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="😂" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f602.png" title="Face with tears of joy :joy:" data-shortname=":joy:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" /> - I'm not sure if anyone tried to call 101, but itcan take yonks to get through and as a driver, you should be aware of the highway code and thankfully this element of it came to mind and common sense helped me. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> I've never personally called 101, but even if you didn't get through to someone the fact that you'd made the call would have been further evidence of your desire to act lawfully.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">I've come across this twice recently and like most very reluctant to drive through a red light. One was on a roundabout (which I drive through every day) with 5 sets of lights. I must have waited over 5 minutes for the red light to change but it became obvious it was faulty so I drove through at the relevant time, couldn't turn round anyway because of a long traffic island. The second was at temporary lights on a 4 way system installed while the main lights were being repaired. Got to the point where there must have been 30 cars behind me and over a 10 minute wait although the last change worked perfectly. I was waived through by one of the engineers. Both times I was expecting a letter but nothing happened. In neither case would I have been able to prove that the lights were faulty.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 5498" data-quote="BTB 500" data-source="post: 3454681" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=3454681" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-3454681">BTB 500 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I've never personally called 101, but even if you didn't get through to someone the fact that you'd made the call would have been further evidence of your desire to act lawfully. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> <br /> <br /> It was you that said call &quot;101&quot; (I was merely giving a hypothetical response to how pointless this suggestion was hence the <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="😂" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f602.png" title="Face with tears of joy :joy:" data-shortname=":joy:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" />) so what happened when you rang them? (ie how long did it take to get through and how long for the call handler to give you an answer and what advice did they give you?<br /> Cheers.</div>
 
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<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 110286" data-quote="oldguy57" data-source="post: 3454693" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=3454693" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-3454693">oldguy57 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I've come across this twice recently and like most very reluctant to drive through a red light. One was on a roundabout (which I drive through every day) with 5 sets of lights. I must have waited over 5 minutes for the red light to change but it became obvious it was faulty so I drove through at the relevant time, couldn't turn round anyway because of a long traffic island. The second was at temporary lights on a 4 way system installed while the main lights were being repaired. Got to the point where there must have been 30 cars behind me and over a 10 minute wait although the last change worked perfectly. I was waived through by one of the engineers. Both times I was expecting a letter but nothing happened. In neither case would I have been able to prove that the lights were faulty. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> The problem arises when it is an intermittent fault. My example is/was an intermittent fault. Most of us here are aware that many cameras have<br /> intelligent traffic flow readers and can adjust the traffic lights sequence. In my scenario, I could clearly see at least a couple of times that vehicles were parked up on both of the other traffic lights and there was no valid reason for my lights to be red. Even if a car/cars behind me videoed me going through extremely carefully, I would be able to prove my circumstances, their video would should me already parked up, then no traffic then trffic, and no traffic etc and I applied rule 176. To back this us I'd mention my driving record of a clean licence. <br /> <br /> Like you said, it can catch people out and you was lucky that a joker behind you did not start blaring their horn. Thankfully no one sounded their horn at me nd when it has happened, I've made way for them to go through and they don't as I would always wait a reasonable time and only cross having determined the lights at that point were playing up and cross the lights with extra care.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 4276" data-quote="MSG2004" data-source="post: 3454710" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=3454710" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-3454710">MSG2004 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> It was you that said call &quot;101&quot; (I was merely giving a hypothetical response to how pointless this suggestion was hence the <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="😂" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f602.png" title="Face with tears of joy :joy:" data-shortname=":joy:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" />) so what happened when you rang them? (ie how long did it take to get through and how long for the call handler to give you an answer and what advice did they give you?<br /> Cheers. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> My point was that simply showing you'd attempted to get advice before committing the offence would potentially have been useful (whether you actually managed to speak to someone or not - as stated I have no personal experience of using 101). But a quick Google just turned this up:<br /> <br /> <a href="https://forums.mbclub.co.uk/attachments/capture-jpg.166316/" target="_blank"><img src="https://forums.mbclub.co.uk/data/attachments/139/139923-31bc5287c76852f4dd897ff638f23b12.jpg?hash=faRRvaHPsB" class="bbImage " style="" alt="Capture.JPG" title="Capture.JPG" width="1080" height="160" loading="lazy" /></a><br /> <br /> Seemingly not so pointless for that driver, who presumably then wasn't worried.<br /> <br /> No comment about my other suggestion of grabbing a quick video to support your actions?</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 5498" data-quote="BTB 500" data-source="post: 3454738" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=3454738" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-3454738">BTB 500 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> My point was that simply showing you'd attempted to get advice before committing the offence would potentially have been useful (whether you actually managed to speak to someone or not - as stated I have no personal experience of using 101). But a quick Google just turned this up:<br /> <br /> <a href="https://forums.mbclub.co.uk/attachments/166316/" target="_blank">View attachment 166316</a><br /> <br /> Seemingly not so pointless for that driver, who presumably then wasn't worried.<br /> <br /> No comment about my other suggestion of grabbing a quick video to support your actions? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Just in case your memory has evaded you and I quote.<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 5498" data-quote="BTB 500" data-source="post: 3454588" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=3454588" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-3454588">BTB 500 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> A options<b>! A quick hands-free <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> call to 101 (the police non-emergency number) would perhaps have been the best action </b>- they would likely have cleared you to go through and logged the issue. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 4276" data-quote="MSG2004" data-source="post: 3454792" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=3454792" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-3454792">MSG2004 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Just in case your memory has evaded you and I quote. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say there <img src="/styles/mbclub/smilies/dk.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":dk:" title="Dk :dk:" data-shortname=":dk:" /><br /> <br /> To recap, I made two suggestions of things that could be done in a similar situation. First, recording a short video showing the issue in case you needed it later to support your actions. I don't think you made any comment on that. Second, a suggestion to call 101 first for advice, to which you responded:<br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 4276" data-quote="MSG2004" data-source="post: 3454623" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=3454623" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-3454623">MSG2004 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Call &quot;101&quot; as stated by an earlier post, all I can do at that is <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="😂" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f602.png" title="Face with tears of joy :joy:" data-shortname=":joy:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" /> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> As mentioned it seems at least one person has previously done exactly that in the same situation, with good results. And if you can't get through then at least you have a call logged to that number, which shows good intent.<br /> <br /> You may consider these ideas pointless/laughable/whatever, which is fine. But they're quick &amp; easy things I'd consider doing, and perhaps others might too.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 57806" data-quote="DSM10000" data-source="post: 3454837" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=3454837" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-3454837">DSM10000 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Hasn't this thread run it's course? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Kinda losing the will to live...<br /> <br /> What does the team think the correct action should be here?<br /> <br /> <a href="https://forums.mbclub.co.uk/attachments/1736608440086-jpeg.166320/" target="_blank"><img src="https://forums.mbclub.co.uk/data/attachments/139/139927-15be3db6fea29a75af8b128e39f78c2c.jpg?hash=HnTlZwcyGg" class="bbImage " style="" alt="1736608440086.jpeg" title="1736608440086.jpeg" width="518" height="400" loading="lazy" /></a><br /> <br /> It is for real! <br /> Extra point if the location is identified...</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">You should obey the signal on the left, which is the primary signal.<br /> <br /> <div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--unfurl is-pending is-recrawl js-unfurl fauxBlockLink" data-unfurl="true" data-result-id="47101" data-url="https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/know-your-traffic-signs/traffic-signals#:~:text=In%20most%20cases%2C%20in%20addition,RED%20means%20STOP." data-host="www.gov.uk" data-pending="true"> <div class="contentRow"> <div class="contentRow-figure contentRow-figure--fixedSmall js-unfurl-figure"> <img src="https://www.gov.uk/assets/static/govuk-opengraph-image-03837e1cec82f217cf32514635a13c879b8c400ae3b1c207c5744411658c7635.png" loading="lazy" alt="www.gov.uk" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-image" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </div> <div class="contentRow-main"> <h3 class="contentRow-header js-unfurl-title"> <a href="https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/know-your-traffic-signs/traffic-signals#:~:text=In%20most%20cases%2C%20in%20addition,RED%20means%20STOP." class="link link--external fauxBlockLink-blockLink" target="_blank" rel="nofollow ugc noopener" data-proxy-href=""> Traffic signals </a> </h3> <div class="contentRow-snippet js-unfurl-desc"></div> <div class="contentRow-minor contentRow-minor--hideLinks"> <span class="js-unfurl-favicon"> <img src="https://www.gov.uk/assets/static/favicon-f54816fc15997bd42cd90e4c50b896a1fc098c0c32957d4e5effbfa9f9b35e53.ico" loading="lazy" alt="www.gov.uk" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-icon" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </span> www.gov.uk </div> </div> </div> </div> <br /> In most cases, in addition to the primary signals at the stop line, there are duplicate signals, known as secondary signals, located on the opposite side of the junction. If the primary signal is not working, you must obey the secondary signal as if it were the primary signal.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 5498" data-quote="BTB 500" data-source="post: 3454836" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=3454836" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-3454836">BTB 500 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say there <img src="/styles/mbclub/smilies/dk.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":dk:" title="Dk :dk:" data-shortname=":dk:" /> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> <b>You clearly stated I rang &quot;101.&quot; I asked you to direct me to the posts where I had said that which of course I had not.</b><br /> <br /> So I'm not sure what you are on about here.<img src="/styles/mbclub/smilies/dk.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":dk:" title="Dk :dk:" data-shortname=":dk:" /><br /> <br /> Respond if you wish as I've nothing else to add.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 124543" data-quote="Dippo" data-source="post: 3454851" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=3454851" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-3454851">Dippo said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> You should obey the signal on the left, which is the primary signal.<br /> <br /> <div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--unfurl is-pending is-recrawl js-unfurl fauxBlockLink" data-unfurl="true" data-result-id="47101" data-url="https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/know-your-traffic-signs/traffic-signals#:~:text=In%20most%20cases%2C%20in%20addition,RED%20means%20STOP." data-host="www.gov.uk" data-pending="true"> <div class="contentRow"> <div class="contentRow-figure contentRow-figure--fixedSmall js-unfurl-figure"> <img src="https://www.gov.uk/assets/static/govuk-opengraph-image-03837e1cec82f217cf32514635a13c879b8c400ae3b1c207c5744411658c7635.png" loading="lazy" alt="www.gov.uk" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-image" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </div> <div class="contentRow-main"> <h3 class="contentRow-header js-unfurl-title"> <a href="https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/know-your-traffic-signs/traffic-signals#:~:text=In%20most%20cases%2C%20in%20addition,RED%20means%20STOP." class="link link--external fauxBlockLink-blockLink" target="_blank" rel="nofollow ugc noopener" data-proxy-href=""> Traffic signals </a> </h3> <div class="contentRow-snippet js-unfurl-desc"></div> <div class="contentRow-minor contentRow-minor--hideLinks"> <span class="js-unfurl-favicon"> <img src="https://www.gov.uk/assets/static/favicon-f54816fc15997bd42cd90e4c50b896a1fc098c0c32957d4e5effbfa9f9b35e53.ico" loading="lazy" alt="www.gov.uk" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-icon" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </span> www.gov.uk </div> </div> </div> </div> <br /> In most cases, in addition to the primary signals at the stop line, there are duplicate signals, known as secondary signals, located on the opposite side of the junction. If the primary signal is not working, you must obey the secondary signal as if it were the primary signal. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> The STOP LINE is always the puka signal. Once you've crossed the solid white stop line, you can travel through the second signal even if it is red with extreme caution<br /> <br /> There are many videos on this<br /> <br /> <b>AI Overview</b><br /> <a href="https://support.google.com/websearch?p=ai_overviews&amp;hl=en-GB" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">Learn more</a><br /> <br /> According to the Highway Code, if you cross the white line at a green light and the next light turns red while you are already past the stop line, you should continue through the junction as you are already committed and it is safe to do so; you are not required to stop even though the light is red. <br /> <br /> Key points to remember:<br /> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><b>The stop line is the key:</b><br /> The rule applies because you have already crossed the white line (stop line) before the light changed to red. <br /> <br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><b>Safe driving is paramount:</b><br /> Always ensure it is safe to proceed, even if you are technically allowed to continue through the junction. <br /> <br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><b>Advanced stop lines:</b><br /> Some junctions have advanced stop lines for cyclists, so be aware of these markings and where you are required to stop. </li> </ul></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">Go to the bookies, explain the situation, and ask them what odds are they giving you if you take a short position against yourself and bet that you'll be prosecuted <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 19590" data-quote="markjay" data-source="post: 3454877" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=3454877" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-3454877">markjay said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Go to the bookies, explain the situation, and ask them what odds are they giving you if you take a short position against yourself and bet that you'll be prosecuted <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> I've just consulted 6 bookies even though I'm not a betting man but they all refused <br /> and stated - the odds of that happening were on par with Nigel Farage being the next PM. I guess it could happen if NF joined Labour and Starmer<br /> is kicked out by the end of the year as expected</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 4276" data-quote="MSG2004" data-source="post: 3454886" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=3454886" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-3454886">MSG2004 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I've just consulted 6 bookies even though I'm not a betting man but they all refused <br /> and stated - the odds of that happening were on par with Nigel Farage being the next PM. I guess it could happen if NF joined Labour and Starmer<br /> is kicked out by the end of the year as expected </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> If you can make this happen.... I'll happily pay your fine! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 19590" data-quote="markjay" data-source="post: 3454890" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=3454890" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-3454890">markjay said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> If you can make this happen.... I'll happily pay your fine! </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> <br /> Cheers, I get it. However, it's a matter of principle and I will not take it lying down and be ready to go to prison for it because I acted within<br /> Highway code rule number 176<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></div>
 
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