Those under-bumper lights in the UK?

[renault12ts]

'driving lights' = above the bumper
'fog lights' = below the bumper

DRL's seemingly anywhere

Post 2 has quoted the law , it's not confusing.

My 1992 Volvo 760 had foglights, above the bumper...beside the driving lights.

 

[Giantvanman]

What I find interesting is folks who believe it is okay to disobey a law because they have personal views on it. Just because someone doesn't (or refuses) to believe that fog lights etc cause glare when used incorrectly is asking to be beyond the law and above everyone else.

I take pride in seeing other peoples point of view, not choosing which laws don't suit me and trying not cause distress to other road users. If that means I belong to the carpet slipper brigade, so be it; at least I have consideration for others.

 

[sixpot]

The fog lights on my W204 C Class are described as 'long range' they are used as cornering lights, and 'coming home' lights when you unlock the vehicle.

 

[bluevenetian]

The fog lights on 124s are next to the main beam - not under the bumper at all

 

[jamesfuller]

Ok, so you can call a light a fog, spot or driving light. The thing that differs with these three is the beam pattern and what other lights have to be on for them to work. After construction and use reg's have been satisfied you can put them where you like, as in some Merc/Volvo/Fiats etc.

Any light that dazzles other road users through improper use or adjustment is an offence (or may just mean you end up with oncoming traffic flashing or just sitting on main beam in order to see past you, ahem)

A fog, spot or driving lamp (as in with switch controlled by the driver) when mounted below the level of the headlamp is considered a fog lamp regardless of beam pattern.

 

[bob6600]

My 1992 Volvo 760 had foglights, above the bumper...beside the driving lights.

Pre-facelift peugeot 307 also had fogs intergrated in the headlamp cluster

 

[RKC-benz]

The fog lights on 124s are next to the main beam - not under the bumper at all

They do. And they point down at the little bit of ground in front of your car that you can see in fog.

 

[Pittsey]

They look good IMHO when switched on so unless they are dazzling other drivers auxiliary light users should be left well alone law breakers or not!!
Over principled pomposity should stay at home with its slippers on

IIR:-
Spot lights = Above bumper mounted round bright lights similar to additional "full beam"
Fog lights = Sometimes as above and sometimes mounted below bumper where they are rarely dazzling if properly aligned
Day Running lights = Relatively recent approved and legal lighting designed to be on all the time
Cornering lamps = As above but activated by turning in low light conditions below certain speeds I think?

You can't see them inside the car...!

 

[Troon]

They look good IMHO when switched on so unless they are dazzling other drivers auxiliary light users should be left well alone law breakers or not!!
Over principled pomposity should stay at home with its slippers on

But they are dazzling, particularly in poor conditions. There's no need to have them on as they do not improve your ability to see ahead; and they don't help people see you. If you already have dipped beams, your fogs (not auxiliary lights) are merely adding to the glare and presenting a more confusing pattern of light sources.

Also, although minor, they increase fuel consumption (another 110W at roughly double domestic electricity costs) — and as you admit, you're breaking the law.

You think they make you look good: I think they make you look like a tool who neither understands what lights are for or has any consideration for people with less-than-perfect night vision.

Back to my slippers...

 

[Rory]

Their range is also short because you should be driving slow due to weather..

I don't believe there's any speed at which I could drive either of our fog-lamp equipped cars in the dark, relying on only the fog lamps for forward illumination.

It appears to me that for some years now (maybe something has changed in their design) they've been designed to work like rear fog lamps - they make the vehicle more visible in fog. I *think* (but it's so fleeting I can't be sure) that as I wait to pull out of our village on to the fast by-pass road on murky mornings that I see front fogs before headlamps.

 

[Mike C63]

What I find most annoying is not drivers using fog lights when they shouldn't, but drivers using sidelights in daylight fog! They acknowledge lights are necessary then switch on lights that are useless and dangerous. They can't normally use rear fogs with just parking lights on either.

 

[Giantvanman]

Worse than that are those dear souls who A. put their rear fogs on in Brighton when there is a trace of mist in Coventry or B. the gits who remember to turn them on at the first hint of fog and leave them on through out the summer.

 

[renault12ts]

They do. And they point down at the little bit of ground in front of your car that you can see in fog.

Indeed...hard to see how they could dazzle anyone, or even cause distress as has been suggested.

As also mentioned...the worst lighting offenders are those who use sidelights...in any condition...why???

 

[camerafodder]

Indeed...hard to see how they could dazzle anyone, or even cause distress as has been suggested.

As also mentioned...the worst lighting offenders are those who use sidelights...in any condition...why???

Sorry K but I can confirm that they do glare. I have worn glasses all of my life and mis-used foglamps cause glare for me.

 

[BTB 500]

Some current vehicles also have front foglights in the main lamp clusters - the 639 for example:

 

[Mike C63]

Indeed...hard to see how they could dazzle anyone, or even cause distress as has been suggested.

As also mentioned...the worst lighting offenders are those who use sidelights...in any condition...why???

Have you noticed how many drivers drive on sidelights in daylight fog, yet use dipped headlights at night. It wouldn't occur to them to use headlights in the fog! :fail

 

[jamesfuller]

Indeed...hard to see how they could dazzle anyone, or even cause distress as has been suggested.

As also mentioned...the worst lighting offenders are those who use sidelights...in any condition...why???

When an oncoming car crests a hill, they do dazzle. Its usually 'foglight morons' that seem unable to dip the main beam until they are only a few meters away from them, even though I have seen them 20 seconds ago.

I agree with the sidelight thing, if the light is bad enough you reach for the headlamp switch, why not put them on.