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Vaino V6 CDI Loss of Power.

No more than left to drip dry on a warm day.

The intercooler will vacuum itself when running.
The condensor will be vacuumed at regas.
 
I think I know where you sent the ecu in Darby, hoppless does not even cover it, and yes I learnt the hard way.
The dpf sensor does not show a fault on its own if gives O2 values out and others and only experience will point to it, same with the turbo seal.
 
It's about 7 miles from the centre of Derby so might be the same,
There is little I can do now though.

You've got me worried enough to google for reviews, hopefully I can add to the good reviews by next week. Time'll tell and if nowt else I can be a guinee pig for others who might consider their service.
 
Problem is they take work in saying it can be done and weeks later, sorry no we cannot do it, still charge for looking, then to top it off gave it away for scrap!


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Well, ECU Teting kept me up to date via text and email.
1st it went to there testing and development as they have not seen this 'particular' type of ECU. Their engineer has released it as unable to test due to software, theirs or the units I'm not sure.
So the upshot is they have paid for postage to them,
they are returning free of charge,
and I'm no better informed as to if the unit is faulty or not. Still square one.

On eThursday I'll look at the DP sensor, but as this records fault with engine not running I'm assuming that any fault there should
 
Can you post a full up to date diagnostic scan in here please.

Well, ECU Teting kept me up to date via text and email.
1st it went to there testing and development as they have not seen this 'particular' type of ECU. Their engineer has released it as unable to test due to software, theirs or the units I'm not sure.
So the upshot is they have paid for postage to them,
they are returning free of charge,
and I'm no better informed as to if the unit is faulty or not. Still square one.

On eThursday I'll look at the DP sensor, but as this records fault with engine not running I'm assuming that any fault there should
 
If you believe in devine bodies overseeinmg stuff down here then their titties must be bobbling all over the place over this.

The ECU was apparently delivered to LAWN MOWER yesterday by DHL, and I don't now that neighbour, and my neighbours are at a loss, even those with recently cut grass. It'll turn up eventually I suppose.

Until I get the ECU back in possession, to check there is no further issues due to testing at least, I'm unable to carry out diagnostics. If you can be a bit more specific as to what data you would like I can see if I have data from previous diagnostics.
I would have thought full diagnostic data would be quite a lot.
 
ECU back in and 3 faults
P0110 Intake air temp
P0100 MAF A cct
P0101 MAF range / performance

Sensor readings,
Air intake sensor - 80 C, doesn't change and since the ambiant is approx 26 C clearly a bad reading.
Charge 'Pressure ' sensor - 24 C, not really a pressure reading there, could this be the iCarsoft confused?
Exhaust back pressure 800 Hpa at engine off, 842 Hpa at tickover, 1080 Hpa at revs.
o2 Sensor (Raw Value) 9,77 mV at tickover, when revved can rise to 4.88 mV but doesn't seem to hold a constant value at revs.

DPF Ash Content - 0 g/L.
Soot Content - 5.39 g/L.
Odometer after last Ash Content Correction - 45,975 Km.

MAF - 397 mg/str at tickover, can rise to
432 mg/str when revved.

Exhaust gas flow 62.3 m3/h at tickover,
124.5 m3/h when revved

DPF differential pressure sensor - 48 Hpa at tickover,
122 Hpa at revs.

As usual any comments gratefully recieved.
 
Exhaust back pressure is between 854 - 1200 hpa (85 - 120 kpa), a little research shows I should be expecting a max of 20 kpa.
I now wonder if the lack of regeneration has blocked the DPF,
so I then wonder if the zero ash content reading is due to a bad sensor not telling the car to regenerate??

When the rain stops I guess it's time to drop the DPF, how do I recognise a blocked DPF?
 
I have found a lead to follow.
The MAF has had its 12 volt feed picked up from the fuse rail, rather than the ECU as should be.
I have downloaded wiring diagrams, but these are for the earlier 639 and don't include the 642 engine as is fitted from 2005.
As expected many wire colours are different but more importantly the pin outs from the ECU are different so identifying the MAF
12 volt feed from the ECU isn't possible.

I am thinking that the ECU is the problem, and I have found an ECU in Latvia, but an ECU only and it looks like this particular ECU is rare. It is suggestd that these units are reprogrammable, if not it's as good as a brick as the EIS and other components won't communicate.
If I'm very lucky being able to trace the MAF fed and identify that issue might be all that is needed, but I haven't felt lucky so far.

My thinking, although likely a bit wild, is that the 12 volt feed is for the hot film within the MAF. Now that the feed is bypassing the ECU it doesn't see that hot film load and so generates a fault code??
I'm not sure if this may be related but is it possible that who ever did this pulled the pre turbo heater to compensate some how?
If I'm anywhere close with this theory the wiring needs to be rectified for a new ECU anyway or the code will still be present.

What I'm hoping from you good people is,
a) to be directed to a relevant 639.815 witring diagram that includes the 642 engine,

b) thoughts on the reprogramming of the available pre loved ECU to match and communicate with the EIS, cluster and other matched units.
 
Oh,
the wiring diagram I have is "Wiring Diagram Manuals Part Number: Z6517 2111 02"

There are plenty of sites offering a download for a nominal fee (not always nominal) but when checked it's for the same wiring diagram and my money would have gone bye bye.
 
Still at it, me and the van.

I wanted to give up long ago but local Indies say they can't fit the van on their ramps. A recommendation of a commercial outfit that don't even list MB's on their site doesn't have appeal.
MB Macclesield, or their subcontractor, I think would have replaced the MAF again (£307 +labour and diagnostics), the MAP sensor again. Before running up a bill and suggestion the ECU is at fault.

With the correct drawings I've worked through all sorts.
All is wired correctly, no modifications.
Bad conection at sensors has been a problem.
This being from over worked connector pins, probes opening them or what??
Checking wire continuity, and insulation from other wires isn't an issue. Checking good connections at ECU and then sensors not so straight forward.

Where I'm at now is the MAF is connecting at both ends (it wasn't at the MAF). Now it has the heater connected the flow readings are 13.5 - 48g/s. W/o star I can't know if that is within range but the iCarsoft still reports P0101 'out of range' code, now the only code. Won't reset.

EGR and shut off motor both stay at low reading (5% ish), but I'm assuming that is effect not cause. They are connecting and motors look to be good.

Fuel rail pressure sensor had an issue with connection but now ranges from 25,700Kpa to 77,000Kpa. I did actually check for good fuel flow from the filter output (trying for anything and everything), there is plenty flowing.

The charge pressure sensor (B5/1) stays at 800hpa, plugged in or unplugged.
I've confirmed good connections at ECU and sensor.

Could this cause the MAF range fault, or is the MAF needing adapatation and that a red herring?
Is the lack of charge pressure recognition, within the ECU I assume, enough to hold off turbo boost and my lack of power?
 
This sounds similar to an issue I had with my 08 Vito Sport X not long after I got it. My symptons were Limp Mode and MAF fault. I left it in to a commercial van hire company that also did servicing etc and they did something with the DFP and changed the MAF. It lasted 2k before the MAF fault showed again (with limp mode) and a new MAF was replaced under warranty.
However, further reading suggests that the van knows it's not genuine so will go again. I think I will get a genuine one and keep it in the van.

If the DPF is clogged, as mine was, then this could be the root cause. To my limited knowledge, the first generation of DPF's did not have much in the way of sensors or reporting. A costly part, but more likely than an ECU.

Good Luck and keep us informed.
 
I've had MAF sensor faults on mine (2007), but the dealer cleared them without replacing it (or even suggesting this was required). That's pretty much the only original bit left :D after replacing CPS, DPS, EGR valve, manifolds, turbo, instrument cluster, etc.!
 
What happened finally? I'm in the same situation with my Viano
 
The saga continued in ways I wouldn't beleive.
Clearly I was learning some as I went.

The iCarsoft was decidedly unreliable. MAP pressure wasn't reading on one page, it was on another. It would also try to read other pressure in centigrade.

It had been on 2 Star machines and nothing conclusive.

I had done a fair bit of trial and error w/o success. I had gained a wiring diagram that was close to mine but not a perfect match so started testing and effectively redrawing as I went. That was slow, but at least it was nice weather, back then.
I bought a 4x DVD set off eBay, it takes about 70gig of PC space, 1 DVD wouldn't load and none works until all has loaded, the seller sent another. Loading these takes many hours but then I had the correct drawing, so back to testing.

Cabling all good, components test as good. When testing from ECU plug through components there were MAF, EGR and turbo actuator issues. It's possible that while testing I could have pushed the probes and opened the conectors, but I'm pretty sure the MAF and EGR poor connections aren't down to me. So connections restored and still the same.
I found the crankcase vent heater that plugs into the air duct out, had been for many ,000's of miles, still no difference.

I attempted to buy a Star for better interogation. The seller turned out to be totally unreliable, a long spin off story but it took 7 weeks to recover my money.
I bought a Star from another seller, more expensive it arrived in 2 days. It reset and the car was off, it even wheel span out of the road unexpedly, then back to fault. I reset MAF adaptations (a suggestion from and Indie on t'other side) and that seemed to be the answer.

Next day I took it on a 230 mile run. Here and there I could smell exhaust fumes and consumption was poor, occasionally it would go into limp and reset on the key.
The DPF temp sensor had thrown its hand in.
Remember I had stripped and rebuilt all sorts, over the months I had tried all sorts, including contacting 2 other Indies fairly local as I just wanted to say take the frickin' thing and let me know how you do. Being ex long they refused as their ramps and workshops couldn't cater.

I replaced the temp sensor, now it started smoking heavily, the exhaust fumes were strong. Nothing on Star aside from a communications code 8.600.0, I never got to find out what that could be.
I replaced the DPF, no surprise, no different.

Out with the 6 injectors and off for testing. All working ok but for no 6, that failed electrically. All were reading 183K ohms, but I now understand that there is more than a continuity test to look at electrically on these.
I bought a refurb injector, not realising that these are Piezo and many say a refurb of these isn't possible. The injector arrived and clearly it has new component parts.
Cut the seats for peace of mind, checked with a boroscope to be sure they were good,
new stretch bolts and copper washers. Smear injector grease on the shafts. Torqued to 7Nm +90, left overnight, it was late anyway. Next day add another 60 /70 degrees.
Bloody thing still smoking from about 40 degrees while warming up. Starts sweet, runs smooth, loads of power, just choking any other poor sucker on the road.
Maybe it's in regen mode? Still shouldn't smoke like this though.

2 weeks later the seller of the Star I was using messaged to say that software has been incorrectly installed and 'could' damage the ECU, too dangerous to use that then. He offered to take, right it and return it. I returned to him. As this was an eBay return case, at his request, they withheld £599 from him. He requested the money from eBay prior to returning the Star to me, they refunded me instead again w/o my asking.
I could just see more delays here, and in truth while I've learned lots I realise this could still be a steep curve, and I NEED transport.
And I don't mind doing some on mo mo's but crawling about under them hoping it isn't going to rain (or snow as is common up here) is something I want to leave in my past.

Is the replacement injector good?
Said Indie has suggested the possibility of an online software upgrade for the new DPF, well that's even beyond the Star machine if I had it.

Concerned that over fuelling could cause hydro lock, said Indie has assured that this is near impossible. On Saturday I drive 150+ miles and leave it for his attention, Larisa will follow me for the return home.

I am concerned that the hi exhaust temps may be detrimental.

Beleive it or not this is the short version,
I would be surprised if it helps others much but I hope.

Find a GOOD Indie and stick with him. After I fannied about with so much I'm lucky there is one, that so far gives confidence, that will touch it. I wouldn't want to.
 
Well my V6 Vito is now in limp mode again - 8th time since April. It's at the dealer today, waiting to hear what the story is. I'm expecting it to be the MAF sensor again as there's not much else that hasn't already been replaced.
 
BTB after my experience of thinking there were faulty parts I would check for poor connections at the components.
I reinstalled my original MAF, the one that started all this, it ran w/o codes and as well as the new one.

I beleive that had I realised that that was the issue in the first place the rest of my saga wouldn't be on here.
I had noticed previously on Torque that the EGR was sometimes not opening, again I think due to a bad connection.
I met the previous owner and learned that he had experienced issues where the MAF it had been replaced but that hadn't solved his issue, or it returned. I'm now thinking that as I did a previous garage was firmly inserting the test probes in so they didn't fall out during a continuity / volt test.
It would seem that they don't like it up 'em.
And maybe repeated unplugging might splay them.
 
It would seem that they don't like it up 'em.

Like the fuzzy wuzzies, eh :D

They did fix an issue with the EGR valve connector before, so hopefully they'd bear that in mind. They were reluctant to replace the MAF sensor - last time it was in they replaced a kinked breather pipe as a long shot but did say if that didn't fix it then a new MAS was the only option left.
 
Hi Can anyone help me I've got the following codes on a carsoft after replacing a split intercooler hose
Started with a MAF range error code and limp mode so i replaced the MAS all fine for a few weeks Then Limp mode again and inspection of an oil drip L.H.S. revealed a split in the intercooler hose -now replaced and its going into limp mode again with the following :
Current -Manifold Absolute pressure / Barometric Pressure Low
Pending Turbocharger / supercharger Underboost
Pending Manifold absolute Pressure / barometric pressure Circuit Low
Its a W639 120CDI I clear them on my carsoft OBD scanner Then after a while on a journey the engine check light comes on and back into limp mode
now looks like a trip to a specialist to see whats going on certainly getting fed up of Limp Mode just wondering whose capable of sorting it
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