Whats your strategy for year 2030 / ban of ICE vehicles?

[AMGeed]

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Looks a cracker. Congrats

 

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Congrats mate, enjoy.

 

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Pretty

 

[ec1991]

not sure.

 

[Deleted member 159894]

not sure.

Trying to get your post count up?

 

[Fastcar155]

Hi , well this government are really taking the biscuit now.

Sales of new petrol / diesel cars banned by 2030 but what about the old drivers.

I bet you we old drivers will be banned from driving when we reach 70 in a few years time.

I am not wrong !

 

[Deleted member 159894]

Hi , well this government are really taking the biscuit now.

Sales of new petrol / diesel cars banned by 2030 but what about the old drivers.

I bet you we old drivers will be banned from driving when we reach 70 in a few years time.

I am not wrong !

I hope you are correct.

 

[markjay]

Hi , well this government are really taking the biscuit now.

Sales of new petrol / diesel cars banned by 2030 but what about the old drivers.

I bet you we old drivers will be banned from driving when we reach 70 in a few years time.

I am not wrong !

Old drivers can't drive electric vehicles.....? Why is that?

 

[Dryce]

Old drivers can't drive electric vehicles.....? Why is that?

I think the comment simply referred to older drivers being banned.

But then a couple of years ago we were having discussions about self-driving vehicles becoming becoming prevalent or even mandatory.

I think more stringent testing is needed for *all* drivers but I think there is also a specific case that 75+ are checked periodically.

 

[Fastcar155]

I think the comment simply referred to older drivers being banned.

But then a couple of years ago we were having discussions about self-driving vehicles becoming becoming prevalent or even mandatory.

I think more stringent testing is needed for *all* drivers but I think there is also a specific case that 75+ are checked periodically.

I don't have an issue on checking all drivers driving periodically but not in the form of a test.

I feel that a driving accessement by a qualified instructor would be a good guide as to your standard of driving.

I would use the creteria on the basis the more speeding convictions the driver has the more chance they would have their driving accessed.

 

[Dryce]

I don't have an issue on checking all drivers driving periodically but not in the form of a test.

I feel that a driving accessement by a qualified instructor would be a good guide as to your standard of driving.

I would use the creteria on the basis the more speeding convictions the driver has the more chance they would have their driving accessed.

I think everybody should be retested every 5 to 10 years and that oldies over 70 every three and over 80 an additional annual check on cognitive ability.

 

[Deleted member 159894]

I think everybody should be retested every 5 to 10 years and that oldies over 70 every three and over 80 an additional annual check on cognitive ability.

And spelling.

 

[Dryce]

And spelling.

But that would catch me out .... so hmmmmmmm ..... no!

 

[markjay]

 

[Mactech]

I see Rory Reid and Volvo(!) have started saying something some of us were always suspicious was actually close to the truth about EV's

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Energy for thought....

 

[ChipChop]

I see Rory Reid and Volvo(!) have started saying something some of us were always suspicious was actually close to the truth about EV's

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Since the rise of the EV it has also gone very quiet on the frequently cited factoid that Euro 5 and 6 diesel cars emit cleaner gas out of the exhaust pipe than they suck in at the intake making the modern diesel engine in effect an air cleaner in urban areas.

 

[Wolfie1]

I see Rory Reid and Volvo(!) have started saying something some of us were always suspicious was actually close to the truth about EV's

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The 1 thing that isint mentioned in that is since batteries are the most polluting part to manufacture is that after some years the battery will need to be replaced as its range will diminish so is that taking a replacement battery into consideration?

 

[Mactech]

The 1 thing that isint mentioned in that is since batteries are the most polluting part to manufacture is that after some years the battery will need to be replaced as its range will diminish so is that taking a replacement battery into consideration?

I don't think it is. I suspect that typically EV's will get through 2 sets of batteries in their life cycle.
I know my sisters partner is just about to have his 7 year old batteries replaced in his Tesla...under warranty!
So if the second set of batteries is taken in to consideration, does that wipe out any 'eco' benefit the EV has?
Don't get me started on the 'benefits' of carrying half a ton of 'fuel' around for the life mileage of the car....

Perhaps I'm being a little unfair. I does keep the centre of gravity low!

 

[Big Janner]

Gents
There are some well made points here and I'd like to confirm some of them, if I may . . . .
If you deduct the electricity that we get from France, via a big pipe under the English channel, then we are able to generate only about 96% of our current requirement . . .result; blackouts.

The distribution system is old and under maintained . . . . I know, I know, safety rules etc etc so it must be safe, but, the fact is, our distribution system is being pushed, almost to it's limit.

EV's are not the answer;
Child labour at source
Horrific damage to the environment at source.
Pollution during shipping of primary battery ingredients to China/ USA etc.
Pollution during manufacture of batteries
Pollution during shipping of batteries
Pollution during shipping of completed cars
(A new Tesla, here in the UK, is responsible for the same amount of Pollution as a 6 year IC car.)
No one has yet figured out quite how the mountain of old batteries are going to be recycled and/or disposed of.
We have no infrastructure to support EV's.
Charging times are ridiculously time wasting; 20 minutes for a quick charge, I can be 20 miles down the road in that time in my ICV.

EV's are not the answer to future personal long distance transport.

Someone needs to find the gonads to stand up and sell hydrogen cell as a concept.
Yes, hydrogen is expensive and power heavy to produce
Yes hydrogen is currently difficult to store in a car (Honda and Toyota have it cracked)

I honestly believe that it is not beyond the wit of man to overcome these difficulties, it just needs a plan and the investment, the brains to solve the problems will appear.

 

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Someone needs to find the gonads to stand up and sell hydrogen cell as a concept.
Yes, hydrogen is expensive and power heavy to produce
Yes hydrogen is currently difficult to store in a car (Honda and Toyota have it cracked)

I honestly believe that it is not beyond the wit of man to overcome these difficulties, it just needs a plan and the investment, the brains to solve the problems will appear.

I think hydrogen will succeed in buses trucks and ships etc. While it obviously works in cars I think it's dead in the water regarding large scale production. Much too expensive and the infrastructure is many years behind EV charging. By the time a hydrogen car achieves reasonable costs the EV's will be cheaper still. It's a VHS vs Betmax type of thing. EV's are too well established already even if hydrogen is a better solution.