Windows XP SP3 To Be Released April 29
Thanks for that. Windows XP seems like an operating system that refuses to lie down and die.
Now the question is do I go looking on 29 April or wait until the 10 June? Mind you, my current computer was built from a box of components and I was legitimately able to buy an OEM version of XP Pro so maybe Microsoft will send me the upgrade this Monday. I wont hold my breath.
Now the question is do I go looking on 29 April or wait until the 10 June? Mind you, my current computer was built from a box of components and I was legitimately able to buy an OEM version of XP Pro so maybe Microsoft will send me the upgrade this Monday. I wont hold my breath.
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Yup have to agree XP is great, have thought many times about upgrading to Vista but dont think I will. I have heard rumors that there will be a 10% performance boost with this new SP3 not sure if its proven though.
Geezer
Active Member
I've had SP3 for some time now. You won't notice any difference really.
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This would have most likely been the Beta Refresh editions. The dates given are for the full final version release.
HughJarse
MB Enthusiast
Hi Gurpz, Ive had it too for a couple of months - it certainly didn't say it was a beta ( thats not to say its not )
Doesn't say so in computer diags either. Ive actually slipstreamed it too.
Doesn't say so in computer diags either. Ive actually slipstreamed it too.
moakesr
Active Member
XP is the greatest
ROTFLMAO
, greatest security risk, greatest rip-off, etc. etc...Linux is the way forward, stop Microsoft having a monopoly and browse, receive email with confidence!
I use Microsoft at work, but it has no place in my home!
andy_k
MB Enthusiast
Linux isn't the way forwards yet - not for the average home user.
Imagine yourself in this position.
You know nothing about computers let alone Windows or Linux and you have no working internet connection
1. Now try installing Ubuntu Desktop
2. Now try installing Windows
Which installation do you get working quickest?
The answer is definitely going to be Windows because Ubuntu is still a bug ridden geekfest that needs a load more work before it's even vaguely ready for public release. It's worth exactly what you pay for it
I wasted a few days last week playing with various releases and none of them (except commercial ones) were even vaguely worth looking at.
Andy
Imagine yourself in this position.
You know nothing about computers let alone Windows or Linux and you have no working internet connection
1. Now try installing Ubuntu Desktop
2. Now try installing Windows
Which installation do you get working quickest?
The answer is definitely going to be Windows because Ubuntu is still a bug ridden geekfest that needs a load more work before it's even vaguely ready for public release. It's worth exactly what you pay for it
I wasted a few days last week playing with various releases and none of them (except commercial ones) were even vaguely worth looking at.
Andy
moakesr
Active Member
Linux isn't the way forwards yet - not for the average home user.
Imagine yourself in this position.
You know nothing about computers let alone Windows or Linux and you have no working internet connection
1. Now try installing Ubuntu Desktop
2. Now try installing Windows
Which installation do you get working quickest?
The answer is definitely going to be Windows because Ubuntu is still a bug ridden geekfest that needs a load more work before it's even vaguely ready for public release. It's worth exactly what you pay for it
I wasted a few days last week playing with various releases and none of them (except commercial ones) were even vaguely worth looking at.
Andy
Sorry but you couldn't be more wrong, I guess we will have to agree to differ. I earn my living from Windows and commercial Unix, and I know for certain that Linux is significantly superior to Windows.
It is no longer a 'geekfest' as you describe it, Ubuntu installs without fuss on all mainstream laptops and computers.
Let go of your fear of change and try it properly, you will soon realise what rubbish Microsoft has been peddling for years!
IMHO of course
ROTFLMAO
Linux is the way forward, stop Microsoft having a monopoly and browse, receive email with confidence!
I use Microsoft at work, but it has no place in my home!
I dunno where you work , but for the estate that I look after linux would be the worst move i ever made. In a fast changing environment where often the software package to be used are dictated rather than chosen for a particular function. Windows XP offers the greatest amount of flexability to meet the needs of the vast majority of users.
Not to mention the slickest deployment over thousands of clients with minimum fuss.
Linux/unix has is place and thats in a bedroom and in the greater enterprise. Not on a desktop in a corporate environment for ease of support.
Sp!ke
Administrator
Actually, Ubuntu is a breeze to install compared to windows. Takes 20 minutes, start to finish including a suite of applications.
But doing simple tasks like trying to get say.... a winmodem (found in most laptops) to work is not for the faint hearted.
Ubuntu is good for sure for most basic tasks but its falls way short of providing the sheer flexibility of a wndows box. Yeah you can browse and email and create some simple documents but, thats where MS were 13 years ago. Things have progressed a long way since. Ubuntu collaboration tools for instance?
And as for security, nothing is more comprehensive than windows.. show me a large scale linux only infrastructure. Anyone?
But doing simple tasks like trying to get say.... a winmodem (found in most laptops) to work is not for the faint hearted.
Ubuntu is good for sure for most basic tasks but its falls way short of providing the sheer flexibility of a wndows box. Yeah you can browse and email and create some simple documents but, thats where MS were 13 years ago. Things have progressed a long way since. Ubuntu collaboration tools for instance?
And as for security, nothing is more comprehensive than windows.. show me a large scale linux only infrastructure. Anyone?
moakesr
Active Member
Read what I said, I use Microsoft in a corporate environment, and for front office computing I would not use anything else for the reasons you outline. Backoffice functions are a mixture of Windows/Linux and Unix, users don't see those platforms directly, so we choose the most appropriate.
As for where I work, it has 6500+ desktops running XP and Vista, and 250+ servers running Windows Server 2003, Red Hat Linux and HP-UX Unix, all in an integrated infrastructure I designed, so I guess I know what I am talking about!
All IMHO of course!
andy_k
MB Enthusiast
no it doesn't install without fuss and this is speaking from my own experiences.
Firstly, during an ubuntu install the output to the monitor is set at 1940 x 1600 pixels - that takes it straight out of range on most LCD monitors. Unless of course you know to use the ctrl and - key combination to reduce resolution and that doesn't alsways woprk if you have a USB keyboard because USB support is somewhat patch if you haven't enabled it in your MB BIOS. Then you could try installing Nvidia drivers to get the final resolution, except they tend not to install first time around and once they are installed, they will retain their settings on the boot screen but not on the desk top (never did solve that one
) Of course you can't get support which you can rely on because nobody will ever admit there is a problem with any installation of Linux - it's always "user error". Whilst we were trying to resolve the display "out of range" issue the advice on one forum was that the person should buy a bigger monitor
I stand by my comments that it is nowhere near ready for use by Joe Public because it's not user friendly and it's still largely seen as a geekfest.
so, please don't patronise me and tell me to try something I've already tried. Last week I spent 2 days trying to configure Ubuntu server to do the same job a Windows XP pro computer with remote desktop is now doing and that took me less than 30 minutes to sort out. Apparently (again hidden in the small print) NTFS writing isn't fully supported in Ubuntu which makes it largely useless for an awful lot of people.
People use windows because it works, does the job it's supposed to do and doesn't require many hours of fiddling just to get it to perform at the most basic level.
Andy
Firstly, during an ubuntu install the output to the monitor is set at 1940 x 1600 pixels - that takes it straight out of range on most LCD monitors. Unless of course you know to use the ctrl and - key combination to reduce resolution and that doesn't alsways woprk if you have a USB keyboard because USB support is somewhat patch if you haven't enabled it in your MB BIOS. Then you could try installing Nvidia drivers to get the final resolution, except they tend not to install first time around and once they are installed, they will retain their settings on the boot screen but not on the desk top (never did solve that one
) Of course you can't get support which you can rely on because nobody will ever admit there is a problem with any installation of Linux - it's always "user error". Whilst we were trying to resolve the display "out of range" issue the advice on one forum was that the person should buy a bigger monitor I stand by my comments that it is nowhere near ready for use by Joe Public because it's not user friendly and it's still largely seen as a geekfest.
so, please don't patronise me and tell me to try something I've already tried. Last week I spent 2 days trying to configure Ubuntu server to do the same job a Windows XP pro computer with remote desktop is now doing and that took me less than 30 minutes to sort out. Apparently (again hidden in the small print) NTFS writing isn't fully supported in Ubuntu which makes it largely useless for an awful lot of people.
People use windows because it works, does the job it's supposed to do and doesn't require many hours of fiddling just to get it to perform at the most basic level.
Andy
moakesr
Active Member
no it doesn't install without fuss and this is speaking from my own experiences.
Firstly, during an ubuntu install the output to the monitor is set at 1940 x 1600 pixels - that takes it straight out of range on most LCD monitors. Unless of course you know to use the ctrl and - key combination to reduce resolution and that doesn't alsways woprk if you have a USB keyboard because USB support is somewhat patch if you haven't enabled it in your MB BIOS. Then you could try installing Nvidia drivers to get the final resolution, except they tend not to install first time around and once they are installed, they will retain their settings on the boot screen but not on the desk top (never did solve that one
I stand by my comments that it is nowhere near ready for use by Joe Public because it's not user friendly and it's still largely seen as a geekfest.
so, please don't patronise me and tell me to try something I've already tried. Last week I spent 2 days trying to configure Ubuntu server to do the same job a Windows XP pro computer with remote desktop is now doing and that took me less than 30 minutes to sort out. Apparently (again hidden in the small print) NTFS writing isn't fully supported in Ubuntu which makes it largely useless for an awful lot of people.
People use windows because it works, does the job it's supposed to do and doesn't require many hours of fiddling just to get it to perform at the most basic level.
Andy
Andy it's plain we don't agree, and I didn't mean to patronise you.
I genuinely believe for the Web browsing and email reading/writing home user, Linux offers a real alternative. Windows is easier due to familiarity, once someone builds up experience in Linux, then it's just the same as Windows, you get to know where and how things are done. I now find it easier to make Linux do what I want than Windows, but I will admit it was a steep learning curve at first.
I must admit to having never experienced the problem you describe with screen resolution, apart from the very early days of Linux, I can only imaging you have a graphics card/monitor combination that the developers had not tested, or you have experienced a real bug/error in the code.
I believe in horses for courses, far too many Linux people are zealots who do not acknowledge any other operating system, and yes they do always blame user error and seem unwilling to help others, until that culture changes Linux will be handicapped.
As for NTFS compatibility, well if MS were more open about NTFS then there would be full read/write compatability in many operating systems very quickly, but they always want to keep their cards and source code close to their chest.
Surely diversity is good, imagine how arrogant Microsoft would be if they were the only show in town?
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moakesr
Active Member
Solaris is good, things are done very much in the 'Sun way', but I do like what they can do
andy_k
MB Enthusiast
but home users do so much more than just a bit of browsing and assuming they don't patronises them as well.
Silly little examples....
My camera software doesn't work in Linux - not the simple image viewing stuff but the one which I can remotely fire the shutter. My CNC lathe software doesn't run under Linux. As far as work goes, none of the software I rely upon to earn a living works under Linux.
try typing "ubuntu install monitor out of range" into Google and you'll find an awful lot of people who seem to have the wrong card/monitor combination
Microsoft got themselves where they are now by spending many years building an operating system even my Mother In Law can use - until Linux developers acknowledge that people like her use computers as well it will never be seen as "mainstream".
I agree about horses for courses and for 99% of the population Microsoft provide a go anywhere horse that can cope with pretty much any course
Andy
moakesr
Active Member
but home users do so much more than just a bit of browsing and assuming they don't patronises them as well.
Silly little examples....
My camera software doesn't work in Linux - not the simple image viewing stuff but the one which I can remotely fire the shutter. My CNC lathe software doesn't run under Linux. As far as work goes, none of the software I rely upon to earn a living works under Linux.
try typing "ubuntu install monitor out of range" into Google and you'll find an awful lot of people who seem to have the wrong card/monitor combination
Microsoft got themselves where they are now by spending many years building an operating system even my Mother In Law can use - until Linux developers acknowledge that people like her use computers as well it will never be seen as "mainstream".
I agree about horses for courses and for 99% of the population Microsoft provide a go anywhere horse that can cope with pretty much any course
Andy
CNC lathes and remote firing of camera shutters are hardly typical home users are they.
But then again, why do I bother, oh I give in, you are right on everything, I am wrong about everything, no reasoning with some people
