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The router offers WEP, WPA-Personal, WPA2-Personal and WPA2-Mixed. The card offers WEP, WPA, WPA-PSK, WPA2 and WPA2-PSK.

Apart from WEP (I'd rather use WPA) which combo will work? I've tried all (I think - I got confused!! :o) and couldn't get any combo to work.

Op sys on Dell laptop is XP. Router is Linksys W200G.

Needless to say, the manual isn't worth the paper it's written on.

TIA, David.
 
I use WPA-PSK ... works fine with our two XP machines (one XP Pro, one XP Home), and the PlayStation3.
 
I use WPA-PSK ... works fine with our two XP machines (one XP Pro, one XP Home), and the PlayStation3.

OK but if I set the card to WPA-PSK, what do I set the router to? It doesn't specifically offer WPA-PSK. So which offering on the router does WPA-PSK equate to? WPA-Personal?
 
WPA2-PSK is the pick of the bunch assuming everything is compatible.

WPA-PSK would be entirely sufficient though.

PSK is pre shared key (the key you enter). This is designed more for personal use, rather than an enterprise where the key would be issued otherwise.
 
Your modem won't do better than WPA2 - set it to that.

You should be able to run the Linksys Setup Wizard to set the Wireless Security protocol ad password. If you don't have the Wizard installed you can download it from the Linksys site here: http://tinyurl.com/2at7d6
(Choose Version 1.0).

You really should also update it with the latest firmware from the same page.

(Agree with you about the manual!)

Once the router is setup (also change the SSID settings and password!)

Your laptop should automatically detect the router broadcasts and offer to connect for you and will then prompt you for the password you have set.

WEP is not recommended as it is too easily broken
 
I have Vista on my VAIO.... and a Netgear Router...... i use WPA and also on the router you can go online and set only specific mac addresses.... dont know how secure that is but i think its pretty good form what o have been told..
 
If I parked outside your house I could access your network within about 20 minutes if you are only using WEP. WPA Is much more secure.

Wouldnt u need to know the make of router and the admin password to access it? Unless it was left on factory settings??
 
Its all very complicated i find... lcukily i have a friend in IT and he sorted mine for me so hat only the Computers assigned to the Router can access it .
 
Wouldnt u need to know the make of router and the admin password to access it? Unless it was left on factory settings??

Depends what I was after - if just internet access then no.

If I wanted access to data then once on his network I could then start to look for vulnerabilities on each connected machine. Most home networks have some shared folders, there are known attacks for various bits of software and OS's.

WEP is incredibly weak, no-one should be using it. Locking out to only allowed MAC addresses is not much more protection as they can be spoofed too.
 
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I use WEP. Shouldn't I?


No, but if you're downloading lots of illegal material then it may be offer a possible escape route come prosecution time.

Just don't do your banking or anything over your wifi connection.

Wouldn't u need to know the make of router and the admin password to access it? Unless it was left on factory settings??

No, the private key can be reverse engineered pretty quickly and easily from analysing the data you are transmitting.

I have Vista on my VAIO.... and a Netgear Router...... i use WPA and also on the router you can go online and set only specific mac addresses.... dont know how secure that is but i think its pretty good form what o have been told..

MAC addresses can be spoofed very easily, although it does add a small further hurdle to cross.


I no longer use wifi at home having seen professional penetration testers in action. I never use public wifi networks either unless I am in a VPN tunnel.
 
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No, but if you're downloading lots of illegal material then it may be offer a possible escape route come prosecution time. Just don't do your banking or anything over your wifi connection.
No, the private key can be reverse engineered pretty quickly and easily from analysing the data you are transmitting.
MAC addresses can be spoofed very easily, although it does add a small further hurdle to cross. I no longer use wifi at home having seen professional penetration testers in action. I never use public wifi networks either unless I am in a VPN tunnel.

As Spike says; stay away from WEP... WEP can be cracked with less than 40,000 packets - which can be gained in under a minute of scanning. Even if you think that your network doesn't generate enough packets to be cracked quickly, an attacker can create "fake" traffic (basically, you bump a client off the network, when the client tries to reconnect you read the reconnection packets. Then replay these repeatedly from one machine to the router while "listening" from the second machine - this does become an active attack as a pose to a passive one, but it means WEP is crackable in less than a minute - which even if security is alerted means you can get your packets and drive off before they've had time to look out the window). An additional problem is that once your WEP-key is compromised, all traffic between the client and the router can be read by the attacker (programs like WireShark will even decrypt them on the fly)

WPA is safer - but using a similar method to above WPA is vulnerable within 20 minutes. Again, 2 machines are ideal (or two network cards) to generate extra traffic on the network.

WPA2 (both PSK and EAP flavours) adds more security, and it becomes much harder to crack. Generating/capturing the packets drops into the background, while the time is consumed in brute-forcing the actual key. I'm doing some testing using rainbow tables to speed up the process, but I'm greatly limited by the size of my laptop hard drives.

One MAJOR advantage of WPA/WPA2 is that in addition to the key/password, each client connects with some "salt" added to the key. Hence, once an attacker compromises the network, the traffic of other clients is still encrypted an needs further analysis. (This does NOT mean that they cannot access your shared services and attack in other ways - it just means that as you type your credit card details on a non SSL-encrypted webpage they still can't see it without further work.) Obviously, a strong password plays a large role in securing the system (>21 characters, non-dictionary words, etc etc etc)

All in all; wireless isn't that safe unless you rely on a better encryption system in the background. Certifcate-based VPNs have proven quite reliable (and popular with larger enterprises) and can be set up fairly easily in your home with an old linux-based machine serving as the gateway.

At the end of the day, it really depends on what you're going to use your connection for and what your nehibors use. You CANNOT secure your network; there is no such thing as an unbreakable security system. You CAN make it harder to break than your nehibors though - and most attackers will go for the easiest option.

Personally, unless you expect to have a determined attacker (e.g. someone with a grudge) WPA2 is acceptable. If are in a situation where an attacker is determined to break into your network, seek professional advice. They will probably recomend a set of measures more appropriate for your situation.

Michele

p.s. too much encryption is a bad thing too - you end up with overheads that slow things down, so you really need to decide how important your data is.

p.p.s. Has anyone played with a pre-N/draft-N card/router? I haven't had time to look at it yet, but hows the encryption on those? Do they rely on the same system as b/g?

p.p.p.s. If you want to play with something, try backtrack linux. It's a live distro (no install needed) and has most tools built in...
 
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OK, so now I'm on WPA-PSK.

And my bank account is still full. Well, it's got something in it.

I didn't really worrry about this before, because from my house I can see six other wireless networks, not one of which has any kind of security on it, so I was always the most secure even on WEP.

Thanks all.

Sorry for the hijack, David :)

PJ
 
The router offers WEP, WPA-Personal, WPA2-Personal and WPA2-Mixed. The card offers WEP, WPA, WPA-PSK, WPA2 and WPA2-PSK.

Apart from WEP (I'd rather use WPA) which combo will work? I've tried all (I think - I got confused!! :o) and couldn't get any combo to work.

Op sys on Dell laptop is XP. Router is Linksys W200G.

Needless to say, the manual isn't worth the paper it's written on.

TIA, David.

Sorry, I didn't reply to your original question!

Go with WPA2-Personal on the router; Windows XP introduced support for WPA with Service Pack 2 - so unless you're up-to-date you'll need to install the patch. Also, you might need to install this one depending on your system.

With the updates Xp will auto-detect that the network is WPA2-PSK and ask you for your key.
Michele
 
Well you guys have now got me really worried....

I am not sure what security I have on the router..but no laptops are networked together...

But I suppose someone can hack in so if any posts on here seem offensive it isnt me I was hacked...:crazy:
 

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