Advice on an SL please, but which one??
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Hi Chris
I too am within 20 minutes of Tewkesbury and happy to come along and take you for a run in my aged, under-powered, non-panoramic roof 300-24
If it helps.
Jon
The standard hardtop is fairly heavy and cumbersome for two people to fit/remove.
The panoramic roof weighs more as glass (quite thick) is heavier than aluminium. I'm sure it's still manageable though.
I'm an oddity - I prefer the standard top. The panny one is very nice inside, but from the outside I don't think the more curved shape suits the angular R129. I know I'm in the minority though
The panoramic roof weighs more as glass (quite thick) is heavier than aluminium. I'm sure it's still manageable though.
I'm an oddity - I prefer the standard top. The panny one is very nice inside, but from the outside I don't think the more curved shape suits the angular R129. I know I'm in the minority though
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Thanks John, I gladly accept the offer - very kind of you. Mike and I have emailed and hopefully some dates to meet will be forthcoming and if ok with you will pm you my e mail to arrange a date and time to meet up. as your location is Gloucester area I am between Cheltenham and Gloucester so possible to meet and discuss locally??
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After speaking with several SL owners last year (at shows across UK) I found them very positive about the car and all had no real tales of woe, which has started me thinking about SL’s and how to find out more about day to day ownership of these super cars.
Hence why I am asking what people think.
Interesting to read about hard tops, something I had never previously considered but having seen a panoramic roof on an SL I thought it a must for touring enjoyment.
My E30 325 only has a rag top - never had to consider removal and storage of a hard top, so my thinking cap is on.
Thanks to all commenting as had not considered removal of hard top and a hoist will be required as my other half will not be strong enough to help me.
Car vehicle weight is v. important point, power to weight ratio impacts on fuel consumption and performance but to find the balance as to have a big car with good MPG but no performance is frustrating at times and simply no fun, any overtake take s a run up on A and B roads ( I know as my daily ride BMW Msport diesel looks good but is a posh Munich Taxi, (not a patch on my faithful W210 320cdi).
An SL for me is not going to be an everyday car, but one used on sunny days out or a European road trip so creature comforts are high up on the priority list as well (what should I be looking for in this department anyone).
Therefore if minimal difference between 280, 300, and 320 models in comparison to V8 5L then a V8 has to be given serious consideration as it possesses the ability to raise a serious smile or two.
I will sample several SL models to see what I like best –
Appreciate owner’s views as they have first hand knowledge which i do not have regarding these cars.
I guess the million dollar question to all SL owners past and present is, if you have/or have ever owned a SL, would you have another one? and if so which model and why please?
A genuine thank you for all your advice, as any advice is good advice right now as it gives an SL novice food for thought in forming an opinion of what to include on my SL priority requirements list.
Hence why I am asking what people think.
Interesting to read about hard tops, something I had never previously considered but having seen a panoramic roof on an SL I thought it a must for touring enjoyment.
My E30 325 only has a rag top - never had to consider removal and storage of a hard top, so my thinking cap is on.
Thanks to all commenting as had not considered removal of hard top and a hoist will be required as my other half will not be strong enough to help me.
Car vehicle weight is v. important point, power to weight ratio impacts on fuel consumption and performance but to find the balance as to have a big car with good MPG but no performance is frustrating at times and simply no fun, any overtake take s a run up on A and B roads ( I know as my daily ride BMW Msport diesel looks good but is a posh Munich Taxi, (not a patch on my faithful W210 320cdi).
An SL for me is not going to be an everyday car, but one used on sunny days out or a European road trip so creature comforts are high up on the priority list as well (what should I be looking for in this department anyone).
Therefore if minimal difference between 280, 300, and 320 models in comparison to V8 5L then a V8 has to be given serious consideration as it possesses the ability to raise a serious smile or two.
I will sample several SL models to see what I like best –
Appreciate owner’s views as they have first hand knowledge which i do not have regarding these cars.
I guess the million dollar question to all SL owners past and present is, if you have/or have ever owned a SL, would you have another one? and if so which model and why please?
A genuine thank you for all your advice, as any advice is good advice right now as it gives an SL novice food for thought in forming an opinion of what to include on my SL priority requirements list.
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Thanks Ierton but does Amg = special parts prices? as does BMW Mtech stuff?
Also SL Silver arrow or 600 for me currently seem both, rare, and exceed my self imposed budget.
Thanks, your comment proves SL's have something special, as if you have owned three then something kept bringing you back.
Dare I ask what was it that brought you back to have three? and what interior spec would you look for? or in your opinion is sought after?
Also SL Silver arrow or 600 for me currently seem both, rare, and exceed my self imposed budget.
Thanks, your comment proves SL's have something special, as if you have owned three then something kept bringing you back.
Dare I ask what was it that brought you back to have three? and what interior spec would you look for? or in your opinion is sought after?
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Some trim and engine components of the special editions can be hard to source and / or expensive or indeed impossible to replace.
The best thing would be to go and see a few - tatty or otherwise to get an idea of options / interiors etc and how they drive. It might not be helpful to sellers but go and see cars you have no intention of buying just for background.
I've always loved the SL which is why I had 3. Run-of-the-mill models don't do anything for me.
Panoramic roof, heated seats and folding mirrors if you have a tight garage would be my essential options.
How about this V6 - or a later R230 SL500?
Alternatively have a chat to Ian about his SL60.
The best thing would be to go and see a few - tatty or otherwise to get an idea of options / interiors etc and how they drive. It might not be helpful to sellers but go and see cars you have no intention of buying just for background.
I've always loved the SL which is why I had 3. Run-of-the-mill models don't do anything for me.
Panoramic roof, heated seats and folding mirrors if you have a tight garage would be my essential options.
How about this V6 - or a later R230 SL500?
Alternatively have a chat to Ian about his SL60.
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Thanks Ierton - good advice, both cars look good and interesting to see how close the values are.
I agree trim condition is the key, colour (dark usually better for convertible, but the lighter colours do look very appealing).
Electrical component failure is a real concern re:longevity during any ownership I have found in the past.
I do like some of the change MB introduced with the facelift models - seat squab leather design change, introduction of instrument bezel rings, Xenon lights (exterior).
I am unsure of the different types (or is it purely design) of cabin air conditioning units as when looking at pictures of cars I have noticed several different types, anyone shed any light please.
I agree trim condition is the key, colour (dark usually better for convertible, but the lighter colours do look very appealing).
Electrical component failure is a real concern re:longevity during any ownership I have found in the past.
I do like some of the change MB introduced with the facelift models - seat squab leather design change, introduction of instrument bezel rings, Xenon lights (exterior).
I am unsure of the different types (or is it purely design) of cabin air conditioning units as when looking at pictures of cars I have noticed several different types, anyone shed any light please.
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The V8s aren't that much heavier on fuel than the V6's BTW
I've had an R129 SL500 for nearly 9 years, would certainly have another although not expecting to change it for a while yet!
Fuel consumption isn't particularly relevant for a weekend car, but the 5 litre V8 doesn't use a lot more fuel than the 6-cyls anyway. The 600 (V12) is a much more complex engine if anything goes wrong. SL60 (6 litre V8) is lovely if you can find a nice one (they are pretty rare). But is it worth the big price premium over a 500? Depends what you want/need.
I had originally intended to 'upgrade' to an R230 at some point but decided to stay with the 129. The 230's metal roof is the big feature but you lose boot space (and the R129's rear seats), and gain complexity. The ABC suspension on the R230 is prone to problems (valves and struts, particularly) and expensive to fix. The R129's build quality is old-school Mercedes, before cost cutting came into fashion.
R129 downsides? The plastic windows in the hood need replacing now and again ... mine are 16 years old and will need doing soon. Not a hugely expensive job though. Rear seats are cramped and only have lap belts which are not strictly legal for kids now. Exhaust note is a bit muted - this is easily sorted (if desired) by removing the centre muffler and (optionally) the two secondary cats (V8s have four cats as standard). This is road legal and cheap to do but does need to be declared for insurance purposes. Can't think of anything else really!
Silver Arrow special edition is rare but not to everyone's taste.
The two big facelifts were '96 and '99. '98 onwards have variable servicing interval (ASSYSYT), which is worth having if you do low mileage and want to keep up the service history. My '97 needs doing every 12 months regardless.
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I was looking for an SL500 some time ago and had similar debates in my head. In the end, because it was going to be the 3rd car in the family (and my toy) the V8 wasn't essential.
I found an SL320 (facelifted 1999) with a Panoramic roof that had been unloved. I have had it worked on by the team at the SL Shop and my mate who is a trained Merc mechanic.
Its now very nice but now only needs minor TLC (be done in the next 2 weeks).
I'm approaching 3 years with it now and it'll be up for sale this spring.
My advice would be to try as many engine variants as you can so you are happy. For me at least, the V6 is plenty.
I found an SL320 (facelifted 1999) with a Panoramic roof that had been unloved. I have had it worked on by the team at the SL Shop and my mate who is a trained Merc mechanic.
Its now very nice but now only needs minor TLC (be done in the next 2 weeks).
I'm approaching 3 years with it now and it'll be up for sale this spring.
My advice would be to try as many engine variants as you can so you are happy. For me at least, the V6 is plenty.
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Thank you all for sensible advice it is appreciated, valued, and logged.
I must say the pictures of your red SL 320 Anils is a credit to your hard work, the shape of the panoramic roof (pictures above) does appear to suit the car in my opinion.
Can anyone shed any light on my previous ask re:air conditioning or cabin cooling systems used, as I have seen several different types in pictures but unsure of if any particular type is preferable?
I must say the pictures of your red SL 320 Anils is a credit to your hard work, the shape of the panoramic roof (pictures above) does appear to suit the car in my opinion.
Can anyone shed any light on my previous ask re:air conditioning or cabin cooling systems used, as I have seen several different types in pictures but unsure of if any particular type is preferable?
Around 1997 the climate control changed from this:
to this (at the top):
I think those were the only two versions. Most '96 facelift onward cars have the later type.
to this (at the top):
I think those were the only two versions. Most '96 facelift onward cars have the later type.
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Wow I am in awe of the information people on this forum posses, and I am genuinely appreciative of the time taken in enlightening me to what would have taken an absolute age for me to learn independently...Thank you all.
Am meeting forum member this Sunday to see his V8 with panoramic roof and discuss what it is like owning one.
Just informed a chap I know is selling a V8 Sl with panoramic so will go to see that as well.
Given the super information/support received re: this post, I believe I am steering in the right direction toward a car that is suitable for us.
In no rush to buy, but want to find the right car as once bought I intend to keep it for a very long time as my faith in modern cars is low.
Any advice is good advice I welcome your comments and advice.
Am meeting forum member this Sunday to see his V8 with panoramic roof and discuss what it is like owning one.
Just informed a chap I know is selling a V8 Sl with panoramic so will go to see that as well.
Given the super information/support received re: this post, I believe I am steering in the right direction toward a car that is suitable for us.
In no rush to buy, but want to find the right car as once bought I intend to keep it for a very long time as my faith in modern cars is low.
Any advice is good advice I welcome your comments and advice.
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I'm on my second. First was a '91 500 which I liked a lot. Hewn out of stone, but, to my mind, just a tad underpowered. Solved by getting a 60. To my mind one of the best cars MB have ever made. Everything about it is so solid. Goes like stink when you want it to but behaves very well in town driving. My only gripes about 129's are:
1. a/c, never very good, even when working properly doesn't seem to be very effective. That said, not a huge issue in a convertible.
2. rear window heater. Takes an age to work. Very low powered.
Not exactly a long list!
If for any reason I had to part company with my 60 (which I periodically consider, but have yet to do so largely as it's nearly irreplaceable) I'd get another 129 in a blink of an eye. I'd avoid low mileage garage queens and go for an early one despite the fact that from MY98 they have ASSYST and therefore have slightly reduced service costs, as IMHO they were slightly better built.
Opinion differ on the rear seats, some say they are useful. I prefer the storage box option.
Have fun choosing, there are lots around, an awful lot of car for the money.
1. a/c, never very good, even when working properly doesn't seem to be very effective. That said, not a huge issue in a convertible.
2. rear window heater. Takes an age to work. Very low powered.
Not exactly a long list!
If for any reason I had to part company with my 60 (which I periodically consider, but have yet to do so largely as it's nearly irreplaceable) I'd get another 129 in a blink of an eye. I'd avoid low mileage garage queens and go for an early one despite the fact that from MY98 they have ASSYST and therefore have slightly reduced service costs, as IMHO they were slightly better built.
Opinion differ on the rear seats, some say they are useful. I prefer the storage box option.
Have fun choosing, there are lots around, an awful lot of car for the money.
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Thanks Ian,
Good to receive owners perspective,
Rear window de mister sounds very similar to my E30 rag top (literally).
What does MY98, ASSYST, and IMHO, mean please anyone.
Also why is servicing costs reduced, surely, engine models, transmission, suspension, the same? Only thing I can think of is the service schedule automated prompts - is that it...thoughts welcomed.
Was R129 production changed?
Why is build quality better on earlier models?
Not seen rear storage box, only rear seats, area behind seats perfect for my ageing field spaniel (beats footwell I guess)
Thanks
Good to receive owners perspective,
Rear window de mister sounds very similar to my E30 rag top (literally).
What does MY98, ASSYST, and IMHO, mean please anyone.
Also why is servicing costs reduced, surely, engine models, transmission, suspension, the same? Only thing I can think of is the service schedule automated prompts - is that it...thoughts welcomed.
Was R129 production changed?
Why is build quality better on earlier models?
Not seen rear storage box, only rear seats, area behind seats perfect for my ageing field spaniel (beats footwell I guess)
Thanks
Chris Merc E320
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Thanks Ian,
Good to receive owners perspective,
Rear window de mister sounds very similar to my E30 rag top (literally).
What does MY98, ASSYST, and IMHO, mean please anyone.
Also why is servicing costs reduced, surely, engine models, transmission, suspension, the same? Only thing I can think of is the service schedule automated prompts - is that it...thoughts welcomed.
Was R129 production changed?
Why is build quality better on earlier models?
Not seen rear storage box, only rear seats, area behind seats perfect for my ageing field spaniel (beats footwell I guess)
Thanks
Good to receive owners perspective,
Rear window de mister sounds very similar to my E30 rag top (literally).
What does MY98, ASSYST, and IMHO, mean please anyone.
Also why is servicing costs reduced, surely, engine models, transmission, suspension, the same? Only thing I can think of is the service schedule automated prompts - is that it...thoughts welcomed.
Was R129 production changed?
Why is build quality better on earlier models?
Not seen rear storage box, only rear seats, area behind seats perfect for my ageing field spaniel (beats footwell I guess)
Thanks
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MY = Model Year.
The 1999 Model Year (Introduced late 1998) had the new engines that has ASSYST (service intervals vary based on oil analysis by the engine).
IMHO - In my humble opinion.
Build appears 'better' on earlier models as more and more recyclable materials were introduced - no doubt the Daimler Chrysler merger had some influence later on.
All of this information has been posted before if you have a good old search
.
The 1999 Model Year (Introduced late 1998) had the new engines that has ASSYST (service intervals vary based on oil analysis by the engine).
IMHO - In my humble opinion.
Build appears 'better' on earlier models as more and more recyclable materials were introduced - no doubt the Daimler Chrysler merger had some influence later on.
All of this information has been posted before if you have a good old search
.
