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Am I being unreasonable

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Hi all,
I originally joined this forum years ago but only ever made a single post. I traded the MB and disappeared! Now I'm back and regrettably my first posting is a problem.

5 days ago, I collected my new (to me) 2010 C200 CDI BlueEfficiency. I won't name the dealer. I agreed terms but was ill prepared for the £180 arrangement fee - it wasn't hidden, but it seems awfully large when other finance admin fees are closer to £50! Hey ho - bite the bullet. The finance terms were presented to me as a special deal but turn out to be 4% higher than I would pay via my bank, costing me an additional £800 over the term! Oh well, I've signed up now so no going back….

THEN I collect the car. The dash is warning 120 days to service A and the dealer has a policy of only servicing cars it sells if this is under 90 days. They do me a favour and offer 25% discount of the service when it comes round in September. I get home and look at the multi-point checklist. They have only checked the items for an ex-demonstrator or under 12 month old vehicle and this one is neither - it's a 3 year old car 8 months on from its last service.

I drove the car home and parked it up. First journey the next day, a tyre pressure low indication. Doesn't look flat so I call at the garage to top up; front OS tyre only needed a bit of air so I thought nothing of it. Two short (10 mile approx) journeys later, same tyre is down by 10psi - It's the first dry day so I take a good look at the tyre and there is a bolt sticking out of the inner edge of the tread - OK, it may have happened on my way home from the garage and I can't prove otherwise! Can't get the wheel off so Mercedes assist called who put on the space saver. Dealer can't see to the tyre until next week.

As part of the sales 'spiel', the dealer repeatedly tells me about their policy of changing tyres if less than 3mm. The checklist shows rears to be 6/5/6 and 3/3/3, so I get out my trusty tread gauge and find 4/4/4 and 2/2/3 - the latter also having lots of sidewall cracking and is the only tyre that is original from 2010 (53000 miles ago).

So what does this all mean? - well I had anticipated 12 months of motoring with minimal outlay beyond my monthly payments and fuel costs. Instead, I'm looking at 2 new tyres, £180 arrangement fee and a 25% off service A (about £280). I make that just shy of £700 extra expense to absorb in the first four months!!!! And I thought buying from a main dealer prevented this kind of grief. Makes a mockery of getting the car because it has lower VED and fuel costs in order to save money - It will take 4 to 5 years of trouble free ownership just to recoup this outlay in the first months of ownership.

So I decide to speak to the dealer - sales advisor won't return my calls, dealer principal never in his office and trying Merc customer service returns a "sorry we can't take your call" message! Am I making a fuss over nothing? Am I being unreasonable????
 
Get it serviced at an Indie, and get your tyres from Blackcircles to claw something back.
 
No, I bet MB say you need a new tyre when it goes in for the service.
 
Yes HR17 -thought of that, but what will this do to my 12 month MB warranty?

dokalji - I bet they will, that's why I've included it in the costings!
 
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Drop this guy an email.

Mercedes-Benz UK


Simon Oldfield Managing Director

E-mail [email protected]
Website Mercedes-Benz UK - Used & New Cars - The Official Site
Company Twitter @MercedesBenzUK

Explain briefly how you thought you were buying into a premium brand who cared about the customers. Concentrate less on the deal.. That's what you agreed. Point out that the tyres are not as described, and that no-one is taking/returning calls and how disappointing your ownership experience with the brand is to date.
 
Thanks David - just had a call back from dealer who has asked for a summary of my concerns (especially about the tyres and general disappointment - I concur with your point about the deal being agreed and had accepted that myself). Will send this and see them Monday - if no joy, then I will use the contact you have supplied. Much appreciated.
 
What David has said.

Beware of verbal promises. My experience of dealers is that if it wasn't written, it wasn't said. Emails are your friend. :D
 
Thanks David - just had a call back from dealer who has asked for a summary of my concerns (especially about the tyres and general disappointment - I concur with your point about the deal being agreed and had accepted that myself). Will send this and see them Monday - if no joy, then I will use the contact you have supplied. Much appreciated.

Copy Simon Oldfield in and make reference that you have done.
 
Copy Simon Oldfield in and make reference that you have done.

Will hold off doing this until I have seen dealership manager on Monday but if it doesn't go well, I will certainly involve Simon Oldfield - and inform the dealers that I am taking this step.

Update to follow…..watch this space!!
 
As Ian said, back up any verbal agreements by email. Very useful if things don't turn out how you hope..
 
Yes HR17 -thought of that, but what will this do to my 12 month MB warranty?

dokalji - I bet they will, that's why I've included it in the costings!

Depending on the terms of your warranty , you may have to go to a dealer - but you could always go to a different dealer rather than giving more money to this one .

Some Indies are approved MB workshops and you can use them whilst retaining full MB warranty .
 
An update and thankfully what seems to be a satisfactory resolution!

Regarding finance, as I was within 14 day "cooling off" period, it has been agreed with MB Finance that I will take finance via my bank and settle MB finance in full with it, with no financial penalty - the savings to me will be in the region of £1100 over the term of loan.

Garage have replaced the 2 tyres at their expense and have agreed to do the next service (again at their expense) when it is due. On top of this, they have done the transmission software update (it changes gear a lot smoother now).

So my faith in MB and its dealership network has been restored, they have indeed "gone the extra mile" for me and I am very grateful.

Thanks to all for their comments and advice.
 
I like happy endings....well done
 
Great to hear that you got it all sorted out in the end. A shame they couldn't get it right in the first place though. Perhaps it's because they're part of the growing trend to gain plaudits for correcting mistakes, instead of little or no recognition for ensuring the mistakes don't happen in the first place!
 
I'm confused as to what you're so unhappy about as they don't seem to have done too much wrong and in fact had been generous in offering the discount etc.

The Approved Used check does require tyres to have at least 3mm all round (4mm if it was an AMG...a real one, not a trim level) so yes they should've changed it but it may have been a genuine over sight/human error on their part. It also only requires them to have carried out any servicing which may be required in the next three months which is not unreasonable compared to any other approved scheme.

The finance deal might not be great but you said yourself that no information was hidden from you so you can't blame them for that.

The puncture certainly sounds like it happened in your charge as it went down so quickly after you reinflated it.

I do understand the tyre took a bit of the shine off your purchase but that doesn't mean the dealer is satan. Glad you've got your smile back now all the same.
 
Great to hear that you got it all sorted out in the end. A shame they couldn't get it right in the first place though. Perhaps it's because they're part of the growing trend to gain plaudits for correcting mistakes, instead of little or no recognition for ensuring the mistakes don't happen in the first place!

Dealers tend to be coy about finance fees. It's a bad practice IMO - but I've not once come across a dealer who has offered clear information about 'documentation', or 'option to purchase', or 'administration' fees without being asked.

We had MB change one tyre on an AU car after purchase. I think they try it on - and if they get caught out by the customer comibg back it's a case of shrugging and doing it.

As regards the 120 days to service - the AU scheme states 3 months or 3000 miles.

The problem with MB AU is the basic setup gives the customer a bit too much confidence. Tendency is not to check the car sufficiently prior to completing the deal and handover.

If the dealer is sorting out the punctured tyre and the service then that's actually generous.
 
I'm confused as to what you're so unhappy about as they don't seem to have done too much wrong and in fact had been generous in offering the discount etc..

I accept the service discount was good of them, and I do accept the 3mm criteria for tyres and 90 days for service are MB standards. Perhaps I have been lucky in the past with vehicle purchases but this time I felt caught out with everything being just outside the point at which they had an obligation to do anything. I went to another dealer and took a look at a couple of similar vehicles whilst awaiting the outcome of this situation and found they were much better shod and had a service within the last few months. As such, I felt I had come off quite badly on the deal, even though the dealer had followed the rules. As such, I entitled this thread "Am I being unreasonable?" because I was unsure whether I was making a fuss over nothing. As it happens, the dealers seem to have acknowledged I have been unlucky and taken it upon themselves to show goodwill. I daresay I will repay them in due course with my regular custom!

If the dealer is sorting out the punctured tyre and the service then that's actually generous.

It certainly is, and is greatly appreciated.
 
I'm on your side here, the garage had technically done nothing wrong but somehow it still left a bad taste in your mouth.

What is genuinely nice is the stance the garage have taken to ensure you are now a happy customer, they have gone above and beyond what they needed to and have left a happy customer singing their praises (I hope).

With luck you will now tell your friends and colleagues how well you have been treated which might get the dealership additional business and certainly will help the confidence of other clients.

As I see it this is now a genuine win win situation where the customer has left knowing they have been treated well and the dealership should get some valuable PR.

We all know it takes years to build a good reputation and seconds to lose it, these people have made it clear they are worth a good reputation and are worth trading with (in my huimble opinion)
 

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