Any diesel fuel experts?

[l5foye]

People who (illegally) use red diesel in their cars, particularly common rail injection ones, generally report that they get less mpg, that the engines are noisier and produce more smoke than when they use clear diesel. I always understood that red diesel was the same as clear diesel but with just the red dye added. It is hard to believe that the dye of itself would make an engine noisier or more smoky. I would have thought that red diesel would have the normal amounts of sulphur (unlike,eg, city diesel) and therefore would help avoid premature failure of the fuel pump. Can anyone throw any light on the matter please?

 

[grober]

If the red dye dont get you the yellow one will

Red diesel is primarily designed for agricultural or marine engines which have different running characteristics to the high speed diesels found in cars. My guess is they are of lower quality than the clear stuff and possibly a different "cut"of the distillate with different additives , different cetane rating, different sulphur content etc. see http://www.wynns.be/articles/267/documents/fleetfiches/Diesel.pdf
They also have solvent yellow 124 added detectible down to 0.3ppm. Its related to the sudan 1 which caused the carcinogen scare in food colouring additives a while back. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solvent_Yellow_124

 

[marcos]

Its related to the sudan 1 which caused the carcinogen scare in food colouring additives a while back. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solvent_Yellow_124

So we really shouldn't drink it then eh

 

[Satch]

Red Diesel is intended for use in slow revving industrial, agricultural and marine engines.

The Cetane number is typically 5 or 6 numbers below that of standard diesel so hardly surprising that in a high performance diesel it is shite. Yes it has a high sulphur content so that might suit injectors & pumps but will knacker newer diesel cars with Cats, especially EU4 ones, because it clogs up the Cat.

But do not worry, the Government is going to solve some of these problems by abolishing Red Diesel for liesure use because the EU says so. And thanks to the huge duty levied on Diesel in the UK that is going to upset some people.

Fancy buying a motor boat? Think again:

http://www.ybw.com/mbm/redalert/pdf/red_diesel_campaign.pdf

Gordon Brown applied for a further derogation on 17 October so just better wait till that gets sorted before getting that Gin Palace

 

[Rory]

The Cetane number is typically 5 or 6 numbers below that of standard diesel

I guess some Millers Diesel Power Plus should help there?

 

[Satch]

I guess some Millers Diesel Power Plus should help there?

Indeed. Your tractor will run much better for it.

 

[Rory]

Indeed. Your tractor will run much better for it.

I know my C270CDi is a bit agricultural, but that was uncalled for.

 

[ian_c_uk]

Fancy buying a motor boat? Think again:

http://www.ybw.com/mbm/redalert/pdf/red_diesel_campaign.pdf

Gordon Brown applied for a further derogation on 17 October so just better wait till that gets sorted before getting that Gin Palace

So if the EU can insist we match their conditions on duty, surely we can insist we match the *level* of duty compared with other EU states?

 

[steveatpipex]

So if the EU can insist we match their conditions on duty, surely we can insist we match the *level* of duty compared with other EU states?

Nothing like an optomist

I'm waiting for Nasal Meters to tax the air we breathe being made compulsory, although taking that one stage further the Govt would then find a methane gas meter to fit elsewhere as a counter to Global Warming

 

[ian_c_uk]

Nothing like an optomist

Everyone has to dream!

 

[Satch]

So if the EU can insist we match their conditions on duty, surely we can insist we match the *level* of duty compared with other EU states?

There is a minimum level of duty imposed by the EU.

But there is no maximum. Member States can charge what they see fit. In our case. a lot.

 

[esox]

Nothing like an optomist

I'm waiting for Nasal Meters to tax the air we breathe being made compulsory.

Good idea,all these joggers out and about puffing and panting using up all the oxygen that could be better put to use powering a gas-guzzling 4x4.
If you wanna` keep fit - pay for it!!!

 

[garystu1965]

Indeed. Your tractor will run much better for it.

Nah it's rubbish. Makes no difference apart from blasting out plumes of thick black smoke.

 

[Dieselman]

People who (illegally) use red diesel in their cars, particularly common rail injection ones, generally report that they get less mpg, that the engines are noisier and produce more smoke than when they use clear diesel. I always understood that red diesel was the same as clear diesel but with just the red dye added. It is hard to believe that the dye of itself would make an engine noisier or more smoky. I would have thought that red diesel would have the normal amounts of sulphur (unlike,eg, city diesel) and therefore would help avoid premature failure of the fuel pump. Can anyone throw any light on the matter please?

Are you sure they're using red diesel or gas oil as opposed to heating oil. Heating oil is higher up the fractionation table and as such has a lower cetane value and density. This causes a faster burn so less power per stroke.

 

[delb0y]

Anyone here using Veg oil??

 

[Howard]

Red Diesel is intended for use in slow revving industrial, agricultural and marine engines.

The Cetane number is typically 5 or 6 numbers below that of standard diesel so hardly surprising that in a high performance diesel it is shite. Yes it has a high sulphur content so that might suit injectors & pumps but will knacker newer diesel cars with Cats, especially EU4 ones, because it clogs up the Cat.

But do not worry, the Government is going to solve some of these problems by abolishing Red Diesel for liesure use because the EU says so. And thanks to the huge duty levied on Diesel in the UK that is going to upset some people.

Fancy buying a motor boat? Think again:

http://www.ybw.com/mbm/redalert/pdf/red_diesel_campaign.pdf

Gordon Brown applied for a further derogation on 17 October so just better wait till that gets sorted before getting that Gin Palace

Tell you what , that will just about wipe out the boating and leisure industry in the UK ...

Diesel from Shepperton Marina, which , while still not cheap (at 45p a litre) is bearable ....

There is a chap in Dads place who spends the best part of a grand filling the boat up as it is ....

Here we go ...

 

[gaz_l]

Nice boat..

But anyone who can afford one like that isn't exactly going to be worried about the cost of filling it up

Cheers,

Gaz