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What silly little problems? Is this not the kind of thing covered by a warranty?

The Bentley is one of the worst cars for warranty claims, obviously people take out warranties and use the service for these minor faults? Other cars would work out cheaper to repair independently?

It's not a daily driver so the mpg isn't an issue.
 
This is starting to whiff of man maths to me - you should just do it Mat.

Better to go for the 3rd worse car in the reliability charts than the top two - Mercedes GL and Nissan GT-R (stop the press - Nissan GT-R is not very reliable and costs a fortune to fix).
 
Warranty companies are notoriously difficult when it comes to paying out, especially on cars like these. Mpg isn't the main issue. It's the pathetic range meaning that most journeys include a fuel stop.
 
As others have said, if you can, then why not? I think your approach of budgeting for a warranty for year or two would be prudent on a car like this, to give you time to work out whether you've bought a peach or a lemon.
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^^ That's blooming lovely ^^
Couldn't agree more, what a beauty!

I think I've found my new favourite coupé . Its similar to, but even a better shape than, the very shapely CL.

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If it's not taking money that may be needed for something else, then definitely go for it. When I bought my C350 new five years ago I had been considering a used DB9 for similar money. As much as I love my W204 I still often wonder if I made the sensible choice that I thought I had. Apart from anything else, an AM wouldn't have depreciated anywhere near as much. I still want a DB9. You may regret getting a Bentley, you WILL regret not getting one.
 
If it's not taking money that may be needed for something else, then definitely go for it. When I bought my C350 new five years ago I had been considering a used DB9 for similar money. As much as I love my W204 I still often wonder if I made the sensible choice that I thought I had. Apart from anything else, an AM wouldn't have depreciated anywhere near as much. I still want a DB9. You may regret getting a Bentley, you WILL regret not getting one.

This is how I'm thinking..... I test drove a c63s cabriolet which again I could get and it's more money, but I'm thinking 2-3 years then change cars again. I'd loose+spend much more over the 3 years on the c63 than the Bentley, personally I don't think I'd actually loose much money on depreciation with a bentley, and if I'm lucky just routine costs, over the 2-3 year time it shouldn't cost much more than my sl or S class overall?

I did consider an Aston but I can't get away with the interiors. The V12 Aston and Bentley I judged to be the same running costs etc, tough choice between the two!
 
For a weekend car it would have to be a db9 for me. The GT is frankly boring. It is fast but that doesn't make it interesting in anyway. Very forgettable experience imo. But with that in mind I do think it'd make a great daily if you could stomach the running costs and the nuicanse that is the range. As a weekend toy it's just too bland though, no real sense of occasion. What about a 911? Pretty damn depreciation proof too and shouldn't cost the earth to run as your budget will get a gen 2 997.

Edit: just wanted to say that's my experience of the coupe not a convertible
 
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When I worked for the Bentley race team we had a number of ex-engineering cars to use and the V8s shown here was easily my favourite. Just a better balance of car than the somewhat brutal V12. It was a great place to spend a few hours between Crewe and the Lake District, one of our most frequent runs, and ran with all the grace, space and pace ....oops! wrong make!...you could wish for.:o
If you can find one within your budget you will not regret the purchase.
It would also return 33mpg if driven within the law on that route, so the range is no issue at all.
 

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I'm firmly in the "go for it" camp, especially backed up with carefully calculated Man-Maths.

My questiion is why keep the S-class as well?

After-all, they are both large, thirsty luxury cars that are aimed roughly at the same market. So, why not chop the S-Class for something more economical (within reason) then you will have more money in the wallet to pay for the running of your indulgence....

Aim for something comnpletely different to the Bently for your "first" car, maybe a 4X4 or something sporty, light and nimble, or even something in appalling condition so you can park it in Waitrose car-park and not worry about the dents!

Driving a clunker can be very liberating....
 
This is how I'm thinking..... I test drove a c63s cabriolet which again I could get and it's more money, but I'm thinking 2-3 years then change cars again. I'd loose+spend much more over the 3 years on the c63 than the Bentley, personally I don't think I'd actually loose much money on depreciation with a bentley, and if I'm lucky just routine costs, over the 2-3 year time it shouldn't cost much more than my sl or S class overall?

I did consider an Aston but I can't get away with the interiors. The V12 Aston and Bentley I judged to be the same running costs etc, tough choice between the two!

I went through the same process last year, we considered Aston Martins, Bentley's and a Ferrari FF, probably all around 18 months to 3 years old depending on model.

Even with the best man maths you were relying on a large slice of luck that nothing major went wrong that wasn't covered by aftermarket warranty which is why all the cars we looked at were still within manufacturers warranty. The downside is you will still take a big hit in depreciation.

We really liked the Bentley V8 but it just wasn't practical enough.

I loved the Ferrari FF but I just bottled out as there were too many unknows and it could potentially cost £100K over three years if the market sentiment changed.

The Astons looked beautiful but I couldn't get in and out of them without looking like an idiot and everyone I ever spoke to that had owned one simply said don't get one, it will go wrong, a lot.

Ultimately I couldn't stomach the overall costs of running (depreciation + fuel + non warranty replacement consumables + fuel) at what could be potentially £15K to £30K per annum, especially if you're borrowing money to buy it.

In the end we ordered a new Audi S6 Avant. That's all the running gear from a Bentley V8 Continental in an estate body. That will cost around £10K a year for the first three years then the cost curve flattens out, that's almost entirely depreciation, it comes with a 5 years factory warranty (extended two years on purchase) and is a genuine daily for us.

It's actually a bit disappointing in one respect as I'd always wanted something special, but when I finally arrived at a point I could genuinely afford one they just didn't seem as appealing.

Having done the man maths all these cars are effectively a 3rd car (bar the V8 Bentley - that genuinely is a daily driver) to be wrapped up and used a dozen times a year when it's nice. They can be used more but by doing so you're playing a form of roulette with your wallet.
 
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It's actually a bit disappointing in one respect as I'd always wanted something special, but when I finally arrived at a point I could genuinely afford one they just didn't seem as appealing.

I think in your situation you'd be better off buying a car you can financially write off in your mind as soon as you buy it, the problem being when you're self employed and in business as we are that is easier said than done, I could have kept the QP and parked it in the garage but I see it as a pile of cash sat there that could be better invested elsewhere.
 
I think in your situation you'd be better off buying a car you can financially write off in your mind as soon as you buy it, the problem being when you're self employed and in business as we are that is easier said than done, I could have kept the QP and parked it in the garage but I see it as a pile of cash sat there that could be better invested elsewhere.

I have a few issues that stop this. Firstly I don't have a garage, I was expecting to have moved by now but the housing market seems to have ground to halt. So keeping more than 2 cars right now means I'd need to rent something somewhere to store another one.

My big issue though is I'd actually want to drive whatever I bought and until I genuinely started looking at these premium brand cars is they aren't really designed to do "normal" annual mileage unless you have really, really deep pockets. They are in reality "toys".

For the reason you mention above about capital, that's fundamentally why I'd finance something like this. I put a reasonable deposit down then finance the rest.

Below are the quotes I got from Creative Funding Solutions for an FF (this is the finance company used by Simal (Aka$h) mentioned earlier in this thread). Nice people to deal with.

Quote 1:

Cost - £169,950
Deposit - £50,000
Balance - £119,950


Repayable by:-

1 x £1,570.87
35 x £1,470.87
1 x £85,000

APR – 5.87%

If you were to get the car for £155,000 the figures would be as follows:-

Quote 2:

Cost - £155,000
Deposit - £50,000
Balance - £105,000


Repayable by:-

1 x £1,118.20
35 x £1,018.20
1 x £85,000

APR – 5.87%

Bizarrely it's cheaper to do this than remove cash from my business, pay outright and then use business finance to fund stock.

My business is completely self funding, we don't even use an overdraft or have any lending facilities at all, we pay for all our stock in full and we don't give credit accounts. All the finance I have is personal because it's so much cheaper than business lending these days. 10 years ago that was a completely different situation.
 
It is pretty simple to me all this

If you can set aside a good chunk, let's say 2/4k per annum, go for it.

If you can't , don't go for it.

We have 2 close family members with V8s and they are lovely. Both are fairly new so no issues yet. One of my Uncles had the W12 first from new, and it ran fault free for 25k.However, I would personally cr4p myself regularly owning one without free funds to fix it even if it was doing little mileage (which has its own detriments to a car )

It is a different world of cost compared to the SL and Sclass.
 
It is pretty simple to me all this

If you can set aside a good chunk, let's say 2/4k per annum, go for it.

If you can't , don't go for it.

I think realistically that needs to be closer to £10K in case a single expensive item goes.

The thing is you could be lucky and it runs perfectly and costs nothing. It really is nothing more than luck, it's just how willing you are to take the risk that you're not lucky.
 
I think realistically that needs to be closer to £10K in case a single expensive item goes.

The thing is you could be lucky and it runs perfectly and costs nothing. It really is nothing more than luck, it's just how willing you are to take the risk that you're not lucky.

What expensive item that wouldn't be under a warranty could go wrong?
I understand what you're saying, but most expensive things will be covered, the things that won't be covered won't be cheap, but sure not £10k expensive?
 
It's all in the wording. One of my cars had a water pump leak which I thought should be covered. It wasn't as the pump was still working and the failed o ring causing the link wasn't covered. That was a 3 grand fix.

Our front air strut blew on the Bentley at 50k miles. It was 3 months out of warranty and the car had a full dealer history. Bentley were not interested in contributing to the 5 grand repair bill.

Also bear in mind that pretty much everything on the W12 requires the front wings to come off or engine out. It is 21 hrs labour to change the starter for example.

If you want one then fine I can see the appeal. But you must not assume it'll be a pain free ride, even with a warranty in place. Early gtcs are getting on for 10 years old and most stuff will be excluded on wear and tear grounds. Whatever you do don't accept a warranty where you pay the bill and claim it back. That's another world of pain.
 
Matt, listen to Stumpy. Trust me, he knows what he's talking about.

I'm in the same conundrum about a stunning 997 C4s on an 07 plate ........ Looks so good and cheap at 32k but .....
 
I think realistically that needs to be closer to £10K in case a single expensive item goes.

The thing is you could be lucky and it runs perfectly and costs nothing. It really is nothing more than luck, it's just how willing you are to take the risk that you're not lucky.
I was being kind at 2/4k. You're right at 10k Red.
 
As the saying goes "If you can't afford a good one, you certainly can't afford a cheap one"
 

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