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Hi,

Im a newbie, so would like some information please :D

I am thinking about buying a c-class soon, W203, around 2002 model. I have been reading that its better to get the facelift version (>2004). What is the reason for this?

I dont think i can stretch to a 2004+ model :(

I have around £7-8000 to spend.

What is the best engine to get in the c-class? I read somewhere that the c200k is better than the c240?
I would like to get a c320, but the road tax would end up being too much in the near future?

I went to view a 2002 c200k today, when started up, it sounded a little noisy....:( is that normal? My brother has an e200 and he has the same sort of starting noice too......Even my golf sounds quieter :crazy:

As much info as possible would be great! :rock:

Many Thanks in advance,

Vishal
 
yes the four cylinders make a horrible noise on startup from cold, only for a few seconds though..

whoever told you a C200K is better than a C240 2.6 wants shooting... the only way its better is economy and even that not by a huge amount...

With your budget you will be restricted to the first generation W203.. nothing wrong with that...

Look for service history and ensure everything is working... Air Con condensors are a common failure so check its all working.
 
so post 2004 models had the m271 engine, with lower noise parts?
 
Jay,

so its better to get a c240? are all 240's 2.6?

Do they make the weird noise on start up too?

That noise is annoying, and to think im spending 5k more on a car that is noisier than mine! :S
 
This oulines all the differences between prefacelift and facelift-well you did ask!

Model Line Up
W203 launch date – 05/15/04
• New Luxury and Sport line differentiation
• W 203
– C230 1.8K, C240, C240-4, C320, C320-4, C320 Sport
– C55 AMG (normally aspirated) introduction (06/04)
• CL 203
– C230 1.8K, C320
• S 203
– C240, C240-4
– C320 Station Wagon no longer available

Features
• Modified headlights, turn signals and tail lights
• Redesigned bumpers and side sills
• Modified radiator grill
– 3 rib design for W/S
– Drilled ribs for CL
• Lower window trim with chrome strip for sport models
• Redesigned instrument cluster
• Redesigned steering wheel (sport models only)
• Revised center console
– Redesigned upper control panel switches (W211)
– Revised HVAC control unit
– Chrome accents
• Standard driver’s lumbar support adjuster
• New Audio head units and modified Telematics

Chassis
• Non AMG
– 16”-18” Wheels for all models
– Softer torque strut bushing on front axle (-22%)
– Softer spring link bushing on rear axle (-60%)
– 1mm thicker torsion bar rear axle (14 mm)
– More direct steering gear (14.5 instead of 15.5)
(also for AMG vehicles)
– Improved, more direct manual gearbox shifter
Features
– Improved agility and handling dynamics
– More precise steering (2.8 vs. 3.3 turns lock to lock)
– Higher level of ride comfort
– Wider stance and sportier look


More direct steering ratio
Previously: 15.5
New: 14.5
Modified torque
Rear spring/damping
Spring link mount
strut mount
Rear torsion bar 1 mm
11 kN/mm ( - 56%)
470 N/mm (-22%)
thicker
Previously: 25kN/mm
Previously: 600N/mm
Previously W203: 13mm
New W203: 14mm

Chassis• 6 Speed Manual gearshift actuation system
– Shift operation performed exclusively by means of a single rod
(previously rod and cable)
– Reverse gear located at front left (previously rear left)
– Reverse gear lockout now performed by pressure point (previously
lift on lever)
– Shift housing decoupled from the bodywork with a large volume
elastomer element
– No shift mechanism adjustments necessary
• 6-Speed manual Gearbox (716.6)
– Gear selection mechanism adapted
– First Gear Synchronization modified
– Reverse gear assembly adapted to new shifter position

Manual Transmission
Only available on Sport coupes and sedans
– Sport 20 mm shorter lever
20% shorter shifter travel

Technical Description
Gears are shifted and selected via a
central shift rod without any losses due
to redirecting motion
Comfort element directly below the
shift lever handle to facilitate
harmonious shifting, at the same
time neutralizing engine and
transmission excitations
Decoupling to the chassis by a
large-displacement elastomer
element integrated in the casing

Steering Wheel Gearshift Buttons
• Steering wheel gearshift buttons (option code 428)
– Gearshift buttons placed on back of steering wheel
(like AMG)
– Both gearshift buttons have ‘+’ & ‘-’ functions
(double throw button)
– Gearshift buttons connected to Steering Control Module (SCM) via
LIN-bus
– Gearshift buttons are active
in all transmission modes (S,C,M)
– Manual mode features
• Up shift at rpm limit
• Downshift when rpm critical
• 1
gear selected at standstill
st
• S mode selected after ignition
cycle


Steering Wheel Gearshift
• Steering wheel gearshift button data flow
LIN Bus
Voltage coded
8 Steering wheel
shift request
1 LIN-Converter
(in steering wheel)
CL203
W203
AMG
Legend
N80 Steering control module (CAN-B connection)
S110/1 Steering wheel shifter left (Minus–AMG)
S111/1 Steering wheel shifter right (Plus-AMG)

C 55 AMG• AMG 5.5 liter naturally aspirated V8
• 362 hp @ 5750 rpm
• 376 lb-ft (510 Nm) torque @ 4000rpm
• 0-60 mph ~ 5.1 seconds
• Unique front end module (CLK design)
• 80 mm longer (roomier engine bay)
• Wider track
• 3 slat grill and MB Star on hood

C 32 AMG vs. C 55 AMG

C 55 AMG
• AMG body styling with spoiler lip on
trunk
• AMG brake system (as C32 AMG)
• AMG sport suspension
• AMG SPEEDSHIFT 5 speed
automatic
with steering wheel shift buttons
– No up shift at rpm limit


Windshield Wiper Arm Adjustment
• Aero wiper blades equipped on all lines
• Windshield Wiper Arm Adjustment Kit
– Countermeasure for wiper noises (shudder/squeak)
– Measure and adjust wiper blade angle to windshield
• Angle of attack at park position
• Angle of attack at direction change
– Applicable for 203, 209, 211, 215, 220, 230
– Service Tool Kit number 211 589 02 21 00 (B-Tool)
• Order put in to Germany, no ETA to USA
– Content
• Angle Measure
• Wiper arm adapter
fittings
• Wiper arm adjustment
levers
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Windshield Wiper Arm Adjustment


Electrical System


Fuse Concept
F32 Front Pre-fuse box
F34 Interior Fuse box
N10/1 SAM-Driver
N10/2 SAM-Rear
Fuses 1-20 N10/2
Fuses 21-42 F34
Fuses 43-65 N10/1
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Fuse Concept
F32 Front Pre-fuse box
F34 Interior Fuse box
G1 Alternator
M1 Starter
N10/1 SAM-Driver
N10/2 SAM-Rear
N14/2 Not used (CDI)
W10 Ground
(engine compartment)
* Not Used (CDI)
** Alternator cable fuse
M271 only 175A
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Networking Map - Vehicle
CAN D
N3/10
N47/5
N15/3
N15/5
CAN C
X11/4
N93
N123/4
N93*
N80
N73
A1
N22 N70
N72/1
N72
N69/1 N69/3
CAN B
B48/5
N69/2
N69/4
N10/1
A2
N2/7
N10/2
N32/1
N32/2
X35/41
N62
X35/3
X55/4
* N93 only installed until
12/04, EIS takes over functionality
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Networking Map - Legend
CAN B
N80 - Steering column module (SCM)
A1 - Instrument cluster (IC)
N93 - Central gateway (CGW)
A2 - Radio
X63/4 - CAN C network connector
B48/5 - Passive Occupant Detection System
N2/7 - Supplemental restraint system (SRS)
CAN D
N10/1 - Driver SAM
N10/2 - Rear SAM 1
N93 - Central gateway (CGW)
N22 - Automatic air conditioning (AAC)
N123/4 - TELEAID
N32/1 - LF Electric seat adjustment (ESA)
X11/4 - Diagnostic connector
N32/2 - RF Electric seat adjustment (ESA)
N62 - Parktronic (PTS)
Legend Key
N69/1 - LF Door control module (DCM)
N69/2 - RF Door control module (DCM)
Indicates discreet
N69/3 - LR Door control module (DCM)
wire to diagnostic
N69/4 - RR Door control module (DCM)
connector X11/4
N70 - Front overhead control module (OCP)
N72 - Lower control panel (LCP)
N72/1 - Upper control panel (UCP)
N73 - Electronic ignition switch (EIS)
CAN B & CAN C
N80 - Steering column module (SCM)
control module
N93 - Central gateway (CGW)
X30/6 - CAN B network connector
X30/7 - CAN B network connector
CAN C
CAN B
control module
A1 - Instrument cluster (IC)
N3/10 - Motor electronics (ME)
N15/3 - Electronic transmission control (ETC)
N15/5 - Electronic shifter module (ESM)
N47/5 - Electronic stability program (ESP)
CAN C
N73 - Electronic ignition switch (EIS)
control module
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Networking Map – CAN B
N73 N70 N22 A1 N72/1 N10/1
N80
X30/6
N93*
X30/7
A2
N10/2 N32/1 N69/1 N69/2
N32/2
N69/3
N69/4 N2/7
B48/5
CAN H (BN/RD) except N10/2 (BN/GY) / CAN L (BN)
* N93 only installed until
12/04, EIS takes over functionality
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Networking
List of new ECU’s or those that have been modified:
• Central Gateway
• Audio 20
• MCS II
• Electronic Ignition Switch
• Satellite Radio Receiver
• Instrument Cluster
• Electronic Stability System
• CD Changer
• Voice Control
• Climate Control
• CTEL Handy Interface
• Electronic Selector Module
• Steering Control Module
• Sound Amplifier
• Dual System TELE AID
• Upper control panel
• Supplemental Restraint
System
• Weight Sensing System
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Networking
• Central Gateway (CGW) Tasks
– Primary gateway between CAN B and CAN C
– Gateway between CAN B and CAN D
• Only if version coding set to TELE AID present
– Diagnostics gateway between CAN D and CAN B/C
– NO System Diagnosis
– Installed until approximately 12/04
Removed in connection with modification year AJ04/2
• Electronic Ignition Switch (EIS) Tasks
– Limited gateway between CAN B and CAN C
– Master Version Coding
– DAS III functionality
– Functionality of Central Gateway as of approximately 12/04
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Instrument Cluster (IC)
• 4 Tube design (with chrome rings)
•Engine Temperature gauge is back
• Vertical Multifunction display
•Central display (operated via MF-steering wheel buttons)
•Lower display (Basic information)
Headlights On Indicator Tire Pressure Monitor Indicator
23

Instrument Cluster (IC)
• 3 Versions of cluster used depending on model
– Luxury
– Sport (Deeper, angled chrome rings)
– AMG (Aluminum detailing and 200mph speedometer)
• Maintenance calculator
– MB Maintenance System replaces FSS
• Maintenance Booklet
– Fixed maintenance intervals with automatic reminder
• 10000 miles or one year for AMG and V12 models
• 13000 miles or one year for all other models
– MB Service Welcome replaces Maintenance Commitment
• First Shop Visit (1 hour)
• First Tire Rotation
– Synthetic oil according to sheet 229.5 is required
• Mobil 1 0W-40 is recommended by MBUSA
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Electronic Stability System (ESP)
• Private-Bus (CAN)
– CAN between ESP and micromechanical turn rate sensor
(B25/15)
– 2-wire CAN used to transmit rotational speed and lateral
acceleration data to ESP
• Brake light control
– Brake switch eliminated
– Release contact of BAS system used to determine brake
application
(brake pressure & membrane travel used as back up)
– Redundant signals
• Discrete wired from ESP SAM-D (looped) SAM-R
• CAN signal ESP EIS SAM-R
• SAM-R confirmation reply via CAN
– Brake light suppression via CAN message from ESP
25


Climate Control - Thermatic
Dual-zone climate control
• Automatic control of temperature, air flaps & blower speed
• Independent left / right temperature selection
• Joint left / right air distribution
• Blower speed ‘0’ to turn system off
• Interior temperature measured at control panel only!
• Dew point sensor
26


Climate Control - Thermotronic
• Automatic control of temperature, air flaps & blower speed
• Independent left / right temperature selection & air distribution
• Active Charcoal Filter
• Residual Engine Heat Utilization (REST)
• Key dependant memory settings
• ‘Off’ button to turn system off
• Interior temperature measured at control panel only!
• Solar sensor and Multifunction sensor
27


Steering Control Module (SCM)
• 2 basic versions
– W/S 203 (standard) Multifunction steering wheel buttons via
voltage coding
– CL203 or Steering wheel shift buttons (option) Multifunction
steering wheel buttons via LIN-Bus
• Rear wiper functions (S203)
– Multifunction switch with controls for rear wiper
Note: The front windshield wiper motor is now controlled via
serial data bus (LIN-BUS) from SAM-Driver
28


Upper Control Panel (UCP)
• New design with Push/Push -buttons
• Seat Heating control modifications
– 3 Stages (5, 10, 20 minutes)
– No heating if interior temperature >40°C (104°F)
– 5 minute memory after ignition off
Legend
N72/1 Upper Control Panel
N72/1e1 Airbag OFF light
N72/1s1 ESP OFF switch
N72/1s4 Rear head restraints switch
N72/1s5 Hazard warning system switch
N72/1s26 Interior central locking (Lock)
N72/1s16 Interior central locking (Unlock)
N72/1s27 TS switch with ATA
N72/1s19 IR switch with ATA (not USA)
N72/1s8 PTS OFF switch
N72/1s9 Rear blind switch
Note: Optional equipment shown
N72/1s10 Left front HS switch
N72/1s11 Right front HS switch


Outside Lighting
• Reflection technology with clear lens and H7 main beam
• Projection technology with clear lens and Bi-xenon (SA)
• Bi-xenon package includes cornering fog lamp function
(not for sport models or AMG)
• Mirror turn signals with clear lens
• Tail lights / 3
brake light in high brilliant optic
rd
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Outside Lighting – Cornering Fog Lamp
• Cornering Fog Lamp is an additional light function realized with
special fog lights (61° versus 21° reflector, H7 55 Watt bulb)
• Fog light on the inside of the turn is activated under specific steering
angle or turn signal requests
• Inverse activation if reverse gear is engaged
• Fog light is activated dependant on
– Turn signal activation
– Steering wheel angle
– Vehicle Speed
– Reverse gear
• Soft dim activation and deactivation
• All functions related to this feature are controlled by SAM-Driver
Not a version coding, unique SAM-Driver
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Outside Lighting – Cornering Fog Lamp
Burned Bulb
Substitution light
Pulse modulated
Remarks
Parking light rear left
Rear fog light left
Yes
Only with parking light
(outside)
Parking light rear right
Rear fog light right
Yes
Only with parking light
(outside)
Brake light left
Rear fog light left
No
Brake light right is also
shut off & Rear fog light
right activated
Brake light right
Rear fog light right
No
Brake light left is also
shut off & Rear fog light
left activated
Parking light front left
Fog light front
100Hz/25%
Only with parking light
Parking light front right
NS right
100Hz/25%
Only with parking light
Hella H7 bulb
32


Outside Lighting - Cornering Fog Lamp
33



Outside Lighting - Cornering Fog Lamp
Road illumination
without cornering
fog lamp function
Road illumination
with cornering
fog lamp function
Note: Do not confuse with dynamic headlamps from W211
34

Outside Lighting - Cornering Fog Lamp
• Cornering fog lamp function pre-requisites
– Engine running (circuit 61 on, or engine >300rpm)
– Light switch in position “Auto” / “On” or Daytime Running Lights
active
– “Light On” from Rain/Light sensor (darkness for “Auto”)
– Vehicle speed < 25mph
– Cornering light request over turn signal (priority) and/or steering
angle
– Activation of fog light in turn signal / steering direction
• Cornering fog lamp function with Reverse (same as above except)
– Reverse gear engaged (>0,5 sec.)
– Cornering light activated by steering angle only
– Inverse activation of fog light to steering direction
35


Outside Lighting - Cornering Fog Lamp
• Only one cornering fog lamp is activated at a time
– Both may be on at the same time due to activation curve
– Dim on and dim off times vary (off is longer)
On criteria met
Off criteria met
Max bright
reached
Legend
t Time in ms t
Activation time (based on activation criteria) U
Effective Voltage
X
eff
t
Reaction time (<100ms) t
Run-on time (0-5s) U
Maximum U
R
n ac hla uf
e f f ma x
ef f
t
On time (dim -on) t
Minimum activation time (0-5s) U
30% U
(dim -on)
E I N
m in des t
eff S pr un g1
ef f
t
Off time (dim -off) U
Shut down U
(dim-off)
AU S
eff Sp r ung 2
ef f
36

Outside Lighting - Cornering Fog Lamp
• Immediate deactivation of cornering fog lamp without dimming if;
– High Beam activated
– Fog lights activated
– Diagnostics
– Hazard Flasher activated
– Light switch turned to position 0
• Fault handling
– Fault affecting only cornering fog lamp
• IC message regarding unavailability of cornering light
– Fault affecting fog light
• IC message regarding corresponding fog light failure
(Cornering light also unavailable but no message)
37


Outside Lighting - Cornering Fog Lamp
Light switch in Auto
- input to SAM-D
1 Light On from Rain/Light sensor 4 Speed signal 7 Cornering
light On
2 Turn signal active 5 Circuit 61, engine running
3 Steering angle signal 6 Engine RPM
Legend
A1 Instrument Cluster G2 Alternator N73 Electronic Ignition Switch
E5/1 Fog Light; left N10/1 SAM-Driver N80 Steering Control Module
E5/2 Fog light; right N3/10 Engine Management
38



Supplemental Restraint System
(SRS)
39


Supplemental Restraint System
(SRS)
• SRS system with maximum of 14 ignition squibs
• New features
– Upfront sensors (B48/1 & B48/2)
USA only
– Passenger Airbag with dual inflation system
– Occupant classification system
– Deletion of passenger seat occupancy mat (B48)
40

Occupant Classification System
• FMVSS 208 requires the progressive implementation of
advanced airbags on all production vehicles by MY 2007
• Advanced air bags systems determine the proper airbag
deployment and power levels based on any of the following:
– Occupant size / weight
– Seat belt use
– Crash Severity
• To fulfill this requirement a new occupant classification system
was developed
– Passive-Occupant-Detection-System-B (B48/5)
– SRS system adaptation (AB)
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Occupant Classification System
• Implementation schedule
– CL 203 Start of production (04/04)
– W/S203 Delayed introduction approx. 07/04, but C55 AMG
will never get this system
• System design
– A silicone oil filled mat placed underneath the foam cushion
measures pressure (weight) put on the seat
– System activates to determine whether to deploy airbag and
tailors the inflation of the front passenger’s front air bag to the
occupant classification of the seated occupant
• System components (on top of SRS module)
– Bladder mat & Pressure sensor
– Belt tension sensor
– OCS control module
42



OCS Vehicle Identification
• Vehicles equipped with Advanced Air Bags need to display this
accordingly
Labels affixed to back
of sun visors
Additional label affixed to ash tray cover
(Temporary label, removed after delivery)
43


OCS – Customer Indication
• Primary Airbag state indicator is Passenger Airbag Off light
(new icon for all OCS systems as of MY05)
Location: Upper control panel (center console)
– Lit upon Ignition On (6 seconds)
– Lit until system recognizes
an occupant needing Airbag enabled
– Not lit if adult person recognized
Airbag may still not deploy in an accident if not required
• Proper seating position (backrest) is critical for proper classification
• Passenger Airbag Off light indicates all deactivated conditions, not just
BabySmart child seats
Light is always illuminated if no passenger seated
44



OCS – Customer Indication
• Additional reference messages displayed in instrument cluster
– Displayed only if implausible weight class change occurred that
results in an Airbag state change
• Passenger door not open
• Weight classification change without running
through class 0
– Not all Airbag state changes will trigger an instrument cluster
display message
Airbag On Off Airbag Off On
45



Malfunction Indication
Note: Not a W203 C-Class instrument cluster (picture representative)
No specific message related to OCS, only SRS malfunction
Indicator for a OCS problem is additional Airbag Off light ON
despite an adult sitting in the passenger seat
46


OCS – Control Module (N2/13)
• Tasks
– Supply power (5V) to belt tension sensor (B48/3) and pressure
sensor (B48/4)
– Interpret data from pressure sensor (B48/4) attached to silicon
bladder and belt tension sensor (B48/3) attached to end of seat
belt
– Calculate weight classification of occupant on seat
– Provide weight classification and seat occupancy data on CAN B
– Self-test of ECU and sensors (upon power up) and log fault
codes
Location:
Under passenger
seat
(attached to frame)
47



OCS – Pressure Sensors (B48/4)
• Pressure sensor (B48/4)
– Measures pressure inside silicon filled bladder mat
permanently attached to bladder mat
– Bladder mat geometry is adapted to each seat / vehicle same
pressure measurement independent of the
pressure point area
– Permanently assigned to OCS controller due to adaptation
process at manufacturer
tamper indicator connector
(seal discolors from pink
to purple if unplugged)
48



OCS – Belt Tension Sensor (B48/3)
• Belt tension sensor (B48/3)
– Measures tension (pull) on the seat belt at the anchor point
permanently attached to seat belt
– Value used to determine correction factor of bladder pressure
sensor
Seat belt anchor point is below weight measuring area
and can therefore influence reading
Location (CL shown):
W/S203 Belt anchor point at seat frame
CL203 Belt anchor point at B-pillar
49

OCS – Weight Classification
• OCS Process
– Ignition 15R initiates self-test
– Pressure present in bladder mat is measured
– Weight adjustment factor is calculated from seat belt
tension
– Weight classification is determined
– OCS sends CAN B messages
• Passenger seat occupancy state
• Passenger weight classification (0-4)
– AB sets airbag deployment state
• Enabled / Not enabled
• Deployment level (1
/ 2
stage) based on weight class
st
nd
and accident severity
– AB sends CAN message to Upper Control Panel to activate
/ deactivate Airbag Off light
50


OCS - Diagnosis and Repair
• All diagnostic procedures are in SDS/DAS 04/04
• Proper seat backrest position is vital for accurate classification
• Special Tool required for calibrating system
– Set of weights to verify accurate weight classification
• System requires calibration after OCS component replacement
51

OCS - Diagnosis and Repair
• Belt tension sensor replaced together with seat belt
“Zero” sensor in OCS controller after installation
• Bladder mat and OCS controller only replaceable as a unit together
with:
– Cushion frame
– Cushion
– Cushion cover
• Service Kit contains all of the above
• Pressure sensor should never be unplugged from control unit
swapping for test purposes has no use since bladder
and controller are matched for tolerances
discolored connector seal indicates tampering
52



Audio COMAND (MCS2)
Overview:
• One block device
• FM /AM tuner inclusive weatherband
• Extra CD drive for audio
• Gateway CAN-B --> MOST
• AUX input
• 4 channel amplifier
• Services: roadside assistance, MB
info, E call
Supported MOST components :
• CD changer
• Universal portable C Tel interface
(UPCI)
• Voice control system module
• Audio amplifier
• SDARS
slot in for navigation
slot in for audio CD
53


Most Ring Illustration
• A40/3 – COMAND
• N123/1 – Universal portable CTEL interface
• A2/13 – Sound amplifier
• N87/5 – Satellite module
• A35/11 – Voice control
• A2/6 – CD changer
54


COMAND Networking
A2/6
A2/13
• A1 – Instrument cluster
• A35/11 – Voice control
• N80 – Steering column module
• A40/3 – COMAND
• N123/1 – Universal portable CTEL interface
• S110,112 – Left, right
• A2/13 - Amplifier
• N87/5 – Satellite Module
multifunction
• A2/6 – CD changer
steering wheel
button group
55


Location of Components
A2/13
• B25/6 – Sound amplifier microphone
• H4/57 – Rear speaker
• A28/3 – E Network compensator
• H4/29 – Rear speaker
• A2/22 – Telephone antenna
• H4/54 - Rear speaker
• A2/72,73 – Window antenna
• H4/1-4 – Door speakers
amplifier 1 and 3
• S93/2 – VCS switch
• S110,111 – Left, Right multifunction
steering wheel button group
56





A2/13
57


COMAND 203
The plug assignment is as follows
1 loudspeaker and power supply and
MOST
RF Radio antenna plug
ZF Intermediate frequency plug
GPS GPS antenna plug
58


COMAND 203
13 antenna
14 free
15 tm. 30
16 Wake-Up
Camber 3, connector 3 (12-PIN, codeage B)
PIN Signal/Signalinfo
1 FAN – ( external fan)
2 Free
3 Free
4 Free
5 AUX-Shield
6 AUX Left Channel (glove ox)
7 FAN + (external fan)
8 DIAG fan (diagnose external fan)
9 Free
Camber 1 & 2 16-Pin codeage A
10 Free
11 AUX-GND (glove box)
12 AUX Right Channel (glove box)
PIN Signal/Signalinfo

Stecker 1
Camber 4, connector 4 (12-PIN, codeage A)
1 HR + (loudspeaker)
PIN Signal/Signalinfo
2 VR + (loudspeaker)
1 Free
3 VL + (loudspeaker)
2 Free
4 HL + (loudspeaker)
3 Reserved
5 HR - (loudspeaker)
4 Free
6 VR - (loudspeaker)
5 Shield (rear audio entertainment)
7 VL - (loudspeaker)
6 Left channel (rear audio entertainment)
8 HL - (loudspeaker)
7 Free

Stecker 2
8 Free
9 CAN-Low
9 Reserved
10 phone Mute
10 Reserved
11 CAN-High
11 Ground (rear audio entertainment)
12 tm. 31
12 Right channel (rear audio entertainment)
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Yes W203 240's have the 2.6 engines in them and are alot quieter that the smaller 4 cylinder models as they have the v6's.
 
no only the basic four cylinders make that noise, its some sort of emmisions flap to help warm up quicker IIRC..
 
R2D2, you typed that up quick! :)

hmmm, on goes the search then, i'll start looking into 2004 c240's.....
 
not looking too good at the moment.

Just checked the tax for a c240, and it will be £400 per annum! :(
 
Hi,
The C200K & C230K are both 1.8 engines. They are good engines, but iirc are only 12valve, so are a little rougher sounding then a lot of 16v engines, but still go well & there is a nice kompressor/induction noise on acceleration. They do not seem to suffer at all in anyway for being 12v, apart from the sound.
The C240 will sound smoother but is less economical & may be in different tax/emission band too. Servicing may also be more.
Good luck
 
To give a very basic answer. Yes, it is worth paying the extra for a facelifted model.
I have a late 2004 W203 C200K and its a good drive. Frisky more than powerful. Fast enough for most and economical as well.
Last night after running my daughter back home on a round trip of 40 miles, the car averaged 41.5mpg.
I bought the C200K because it was the biggest Mercedes available at the time - and within my pocket - without breaking into the 225gm/km VED tax band.
If that aspect doesnt matter to you, then the skys the limit.

A good source of general info....... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_C-Class

BTW......Y15HAL, where abouts are you located? I live NW Kent and If you arent too far away would gladly give you a demo..........
 
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In my opinion, if you cant stretch to the models AFTER 2004 on a W203, then take a W202. Unless you're worried about the image, of it being an older car than just stick to your choice of a w203...

C230K's will be quicker than the c240's, but a c200k isn't better than a c240 at all. But to be honest, all those merc engines, forced induction or not are problem free and very smooth.

P.S. In regards to that noise you guys are talking about, is it the slight "diesel sound" that occurs on cold startup for like the first 10 secs? Cuz other than that my engine is really quiet..... (has a sexy grunt now cuz of no silencers and C36 backbox though :devil: )
 
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Hi,
The C200K & C230K are both 1.8 engines. They are good engines, but iirc are only 12valve, so are a little rougher sounding then a lot of 16v engines, but still go well & there is a nice kompressor/induction noise on acceleration. They do not seem to suffer at all in anyway for being 12v, apart from the sound.
The C240 will sound smoother but is less economical & may be in different tax/emission band too. Servicing may also be more.
Good luck

According to here..... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_C-Class all cars have 16 valve engines.
 
According to here..... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_C-Class all cars have 16 valve engines.
Thought I'd read it somewhere, but may have got it wrong!
Regardless of valve number, my car even from new has never sounded as smooth as I would have expected for a premium brand. Mine sounds similar to other C-kompressors, so it is not a faulty car.
Incidentally the B-class turbo sounds rather harsh under acceleration and sounds average at idle.
I presume this is just due to the fact they are 4 cylinders & one has to accept this as a minor drawback. I preferred the BMW 330 sound that we had, but that had other drawbacks....
 
Thought I'd read it somewhere, but may have got it wrong!
Regardless of valve number, my car even from new has never sounded as smooth as I would have expected for a premium brand. Mine sounds similar to other C-kompressors, so it is not a faulty car.
Incidentally the B-class turbo sounds rather harsh under acceleration and sounds average at idle.
I presume this is just due to the fact they are 4 cylinders & one has to accept this as a minor drawback. I preferred the BMW 330 sound that we had, but that had other drawbacks....

That sounds strange. When i bought my car new, the exhaust was still in good condition, and the car was 10 times quieter than my c200. I struggled to hear the engine over the supercharger, which in itself was really quiet. But when the supercharger belt got changed (by mercs only) the supercharger became slightly louder, but still my car is so so quiet.
 
Wikipedia doest always get it right either. You do have to be wary and not take everything on face value. However, in this case, I think they are correct.


BTW...........my C200K is whisper quiet once its got a mile or two under its belt. You dont quite realise just HOW quiet it is until you hit a freshly relaid road thats been treated with the low noise surface. Then its uncanny.
 
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Sorry, to clarify, I was talking about sound when stationary- it is not loud, but also it is not a particularly smooth refined noise, particularly when compared to a bigger 6 cylinder. I would say my C230K is averagely quiet when moving.
B200T is moderately noisy when accelerating hard, but as a sweetener there is the background turbo spooling whine!
 
Would the OP not consider a diesel. The 270cdi model is the pick of the bunch.
 
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