CLS63/E63 Timing Chain Issues (M157)

[FateSynchro]

Stop wasting your time with the dealer slim, get the Amp Pl involved.

Agreed, if dealers are messing you around like this involve something higher up, there is clear and concise evidence of the issue.
I wouldnt not accept that!

 

[Alex]

Stop wasting your time with the dealer slim, get the Amp Pl involved.

Who is this 'Amp Pl' you're talking about? Maybe I should get him involved with my car as well? c

 

[FateSynchro]

Do you experience the rattle on startup? If not you'll just get told "Nothing to see here, move along".

I get a tapping noise when the motor is hot and then been sat say 30-40min and i restart there is an intial rattle/tapping.

 

[JattAmg]

Who is this 'Amp Pl' you're talking about? Maybe I should get him involved with my car as well? c

Oi ya C

You and yours is beyond help mr Slim.
C

 

[st13phil]

I get a tapping noise when the motor is hot and then been sat say 30-40min and i restart there is an intial rattle/tapping.

That sounds like a lifter draining down rather than anything to do with the camchains.

 

[AlexM]

i'm sorry - I feel that maybe we've strayed too far away from the original issue that Adam reported.

What he is saying is after only 35000 miles with a full MBSH, the timing chains have stretched to the extent that the cam timing can't be maintained.

Whether the car is in our out of warranty, that is completely unacceptable. For MB to wash their hands of a customer and refuse a goodwill claim in unacceptable. This is so far below the expected service life of these components that there is a design or material defect that should be fixed by them.

I'd go straight to MBUK, and consumer rights if that didn't get you anywhere. Outrageous!

 

[FateSynchro]

That sounds like a lifter draining down rather than anything to do with the camchains.

Thats what i thought it was, to be honest moving to 0w40 oil (Mobil One) has actually stopped this awful noise.
I was just making sure rather than having to go through the same issues.

i'm sorry - I feel that maybe we've strayed too far away from the original issue that Adam reported.

What he is saying is after only 35000 miles with a full MBSH, the timing chains have stretched to the extent that the cam timing can't be maintained.

Whether the car is in our out of warranty, that is completely unacceptable. For MB to wash their hands of a customer and refuse a goodwill claim in unacceptable. This is so far below the expected service life of these components that there is a design or material defect that should be fixed by them.

I'd go straight to MBUK, and consumer rights if that didn't get you anywhere. Outrageous!

Correct, i do apologise if i've strayed the subject, i was merely being overly protective of my own engine and not wishing to have a giant bill like the OP it is of course totally unacceptable behavior from MB and should be rectified free of charge.
ITs a documents issue, not a one off occurence, and they cannot blame mis maintenence etc, so either manufacturing defect or plain old bad design.

 

[jakeculpin]

Sorry to bring this dead topic back to life, although I can't seem to find anything else on this subject.

My car is the same as OPs, CLS63 (61 plate). I was with my girlfriend driving down autobahn when doing my road trip of Europe, got to 165MPH and electronic limiter kicked in. All of a sudden my engine light came on and car went in to a limp home mode until I restarted the engine. Took it to MB Munich and they told me wrong spark plugs where installed?! 800 euro later I get my car back with new spark plugs but they told me there was an issue with the cam, translation was hard as I'm British and they're German, said I could continue with my journey (Venice, Florence, Milan, Monaco, Paris then back to UK) without issue but to take it to MB to get fixed. I took it in as soon as I got back, they told me one of the oil sensors on the cam ( I think?) had leaked so oil had traveled through the harness and ruined the ECU (£3600 fix) I agreed to the fix, only to be told the left cam had failed, that needed replacing (another 3k). I agreed to the fixes. They've had my car 1 month and 13 days counting. Had to pay for my own courtesy car for the first 2 weeks. AMG UK and MB UK are involved, but each time they keep coming back with new issues! new cam chain, new ecu (after one new ECU already). I'm at my wits end and stuck with a shitty CLA220d! Just wondering if anyone else has been subject to this and how long it took them to actually get it resolved?! seems the people working on my car haven't dealt with an issue like this before. Just to add they aren't charging me for the issues after the initial 6.3k work, although I've asked for a goodwill as I've had all my servicing done with MB, it's only done 40k miles, 25k of them I done myself. They refused goodwill initially, but since they've had it over a month and I got AMG UK involved, they've changed their tune.. although I'm unsure on how much they'll actually discount me.

 

[Adamccc]

FYI, after getting my car back I drove about 20 miles before the engine light came back on. Plugged in the reader -> camshift sensor (electrical issue). Called the dealer back, said there's an electrical issue with the car - probably a sensor not plugged in properly or something? They turned around and told me "We don't want to work with you or the car again"....

Absolute joke. Contacted MBUK, who contacted the dealer and said as they're a dealership and their own company it's their choice. Took it to a local specialist and as suspected, a camshaft sensor hadn't been clipped in properly and come out - back in and it's running absolutely perfect now but £75 lighter thanks to the dealers shoddy job/service with the car. Neither MB or Listers will reimburse, so **** them both. Wanted to put a deposit down for either the new E63S or an early bird on a CLS63 but will be taking it elsewhere now.

The dealer is Listers Mercedes Lincoln for those who want to know where to stay well clear of.

Sorry that you're having a similar situation (although sounds even worse with ECU issues too), MBUK are helpful initially but will soon tell you to sod off and even start ignoring you (my car has done 30k miles, 22k done by me and full service at MB). I'd really like to take the whole shitty service and known M157 issues further but I've just not got time to sort it. My camshaft was also the left one that slipped a tooth - I wouldn't be surprised if they could back and say all chains and tensioners need to be replaced.

 

[Alps]

Mine had the tensioners done by previous owner before i bought it from MB Whitfield.
left the car tray covered in oil so i suspected the worst and got it seen at my local MB dealer who concluded it was just resdiue that should have been cleaned up.
They also managed to crack a clip of the turbo air pipes, just shoddy main dealerships for you. MB colchester have been good and checked it all out for me at no cost.

just shows you have o find a good dealership!

 

[zenman63]

Just digging out an old post, there must be a few like it now, my ML63 does it, not bad but its a job to do.
Priced the pars and just over £200 for both secondary tensioners and none return valves and bolts.
Just a major strip down on the oil filler side to get at it.
Any recommendations to garages that have done them before to go to?

 

[AlexM]

Any Mercedes dealer should be able to tackle it - I went through the procedure documentation and it seems relatively straight forwards.

 

[Alps]

Take it to Olly @ PCS, Acid @ MSL or Alex Crow

 

[Matt1e]

Are there any specialists near Blackpool / Manchester / Kendal that would be recommended...I might be in the same boat.....Codes P00016/17/18/19
Drives Okay but seems not to come on cam !
Thanks Matt.

 

[AlexM]

Is a timing chain and sprocket replacement an engine out job? Labour costs must be horrendous.

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[st13phil]

Is a timing chain and sprocket replacement an engine out job? Labour costs must be horrendous.

No, it's not, but it's still a substantial amount of work.

 

[Adamccc]

Timing chains and tensioners were an engine out job for me - ££££'s in labour at Mercedes

 

[Black Scorpion]

I would guess it is easier to remove the engine to do the work rather than try to do it in situ.
Big bills which ever way you go.

 

[Alex]

I suspect that one can strip the front end completely to gain access to the timing chain cover but most dealers prefer quicker jobs that sound big and complex and bring more money in.

 

[Cyclone1]

Circa £3-£3.5k is what they charge from what I’ve heard