Confused! Shall I sell my 2.1 C220 BlueTEC and get a E220D

[sam3003]

Hi there,

I have a C220 2014 which I had for almost 4 years.
During the last year or so, I have had to take it more than 10 times for the EML and MB did nothing but guessing so I eventaully toke it to an indie
Mercedes replaced the nox sensors two years ago under warranty and when it was out of warratny the indie recently said that it needed a new adblue pump and I opted for a used one which was fitted last month.
The EML came on again shortly after the pump was replaced and I was told that a full diagnosis was needed as the problem had to do with SCR. (I don't even know if the indie fitted a faulty pump as I just go by what he said)
I have done more than 100K with no major issues apart from the EML.
After doing the visual inspection last year, MB identifed the following issues:

1- Front brake dics becoming lipped (£560)
2- Rear brake discs worn, pitted and corroded (£502)
3- Rear coil springs corroded. advised to replace 2 if one breaks (£558)
4- Extremely noisey timing chair on start up (????) The indie said I am ok to drive it till the noise lasts longer

If I sell the car now, I might be able to get between £5500 to £7500 and buy the E220D ( 18 to 22K)

The car drives fine and I am able to get 55 to 60 MPG as I mostly drive it on the motorway.

My question is:
Am I better off selling my car and getting a E220D 2017 or 2018 with less than 50K on the clock and get mercedes extended warranty for peace of mind then sell the car just before the last warranty expires, or shall I keep my car and fix all the issues (£0000) !! and hopefully the car will service me till 250K?

I am really confused and cannot decide

Any help would be appreciated.

regards

 

[ALFAitalia]

Anything with adblue should be avoided liked the pox. To be honest in this day and age I would not be buying any ICE car not powered by petrol unless you are planning to do more miles than the Enterprise!...and that's coming from someone who's just racked up 170,000 miles in my current derv! Others will disagree.....

 

[sam3003]

Anything with adblue should be avoided liked the pox. To be honest in this day and age I would not be buying any ICE car not powered by petrol unless you are planning to do more miles than the Enterprise!...and that's coming from someone who's just racked up 170,000 miles in my current derv! Others will disagree.....

Thanks.
Are all e220d diesel adblue please?
What MB petrol car do you recommend that meets that Clear air zone requirement?

 

[Smiley]

The MB petrol line up is focussed on the bigger petrol engines which is probably not what you want if you are interested in mpg.
The MB adblue diesels would be OK if only MB would make them reliable and not charge thousands of pounds. That's their choice I suppose. The consumer's choice is not to buy the cars; there are other makes available. If you want a reliable petrol car take a look at the Japanese or Korean cars. Or if you can charge at home take a look at an EV; one and two yr old cars are very good value atm. They really do solve the problems of the emissions control system at source.

 

[Smiley]

* thousands of pounds ....to fix them. Is what I meant to say.

 

[sam3003]

The MB petrol line up is focussed on the bigger petrol engines which is probably not what you want if you are interested in mpg.
The MB adblue diesels would be OK if only MB would make them reliable and not charge thousands of pounds. That's their choice I suppose. The consumer's choice is not to buy the cars; there are other makes available. If you want a reliable petrol car take a look at the Japanese or Korean cars. Or if you can charge at home take a look at an EV; one and two yr old cars are very good value atm. They really do solve the problems of the emissions control system at source.

I do around 20k annually on the motorway. From what I have heard ev car are more for city commuting.

 

[fabes]

You weigh up the increased cost of a petrol vs the reduced maintenance.

Petrols should do 45 to 50 on a run (40 to 45 for a modern V6), versus 55 to 60 for a 4 pot diesel.
But you avoid the repair downtime, the cost anxiety and the actual cost.

A medium sized Hybrid will be 50 to 55 ( based on my SIL Lexus 200) but suffer a CVT in many cases.

A colleague with an Euro 5 E250 CDI has had no issues at at in 80k of his ownership, but he won't go Euro 6 diesel for all if your issues.

Ad Blue is a common issue.....

 

[Petrol Pete]

Anything with adblue should be avoided liked the pox. To be honest in this day and age I would not be buying any ICE car not powered by petrol unless you are planning to do more miles than the Enterprise!...and that's coming from someone who's just racked up 170,000 miles in my current derv! Others will disagree.....

I won't disagree

 

[Petrol Pete]

1- Front brake dics becoming lipped (£560)
2- Rear brake discs worn, pitted and corroded (£502)
3- Rear coil springs corroded. advised to replace 2 if one breaks (£558).

OP These prices are what you might expect , But they seem to be based of gouging money out of you . 'front disc lipped ' ...so what ? Thats kind of how they all end up . If they had taken an actual measurement and presented it to you and reccommended replacement based on the miles you drive , fair enough . But they did not.

Same goes for 'corroded' rear discs , find that hard to believe unless the pads are not touching the rotors wiping the 'rust' off .

All of the parts for these job's can be bought for £500 or less if you are able to DIY .

But just the fact that it has AdBlue would have me (personally) getting shot of it.

Best of luck.

 

[markjay]

Some smaller Diesel engines manage EU6 without AdBlue - if a smaller car with a smaller engine isn't a suitable solution for you, then there's petrol (or petrol/Hybrid, or EV). But any MB car with AdBlue is a no-go area, in my view.....

(And, having a warranty won't necessarily help with AdBlue issues, because some AdBlue faults can be very difficult to diagnose, and spare parts are not always readily available)

 

[markjay]

...Petrols should do 45 to 50 on a run (40 to 45 for a modern V6), versus 55 to 60 for a 4 pot diesel.
But you avoid the repair downtime, the cost anxiety and the actual cost.....

And, Diesel fuel is (currently) more expensive than petrol by 10-15%.

 

[ChrisEdu]

Brakes are an easy enough DIY job. Springs could be DIY, if necessary, otherwise an indie will be cheaper. Timing chain, go to a decent Merc specialist and ask them.
If you know the car, and like it, personally I tend to feel it's better the devil you know.

 

[ALFAitalia]

What MB petrol car do you recommend that meets that Clear air zone requirement?

Nearly all of them. Most clean air zones stipulate petrol cars of Euro 4 emissions or newer....so that's pretty much every petrol car built after 2005!

 

[ToeKnee]

Some smaller Diesel engines manage EU6 without AdBlue - if a smaller car with a smaller engine isn't a suitable solution for you, then there's petrol (or petrol/Hybrid, or EV). But any MB car with AdBlue is a no-go area, in my view.....

(And, having a warranty won't necessarily help with AdBlue issues, because some AdBlue faults can be very difficult to diagnose, and spare parts are not always readily available)

My 2019 diesel Mondeo is euro6 but no adblue and it's not a small car.

 

[markjay]

My 2019 diesel Mondeo is euro6 but no adblue and it's not a small car.

That's good news... what engine does it have? I don't think that anything bigger than 1.5L can escape AdBlue.

 

[ToeKnee]

That's good news... what engine does it have? I don't think that anything bigger than 1.5L can escape AdBlue.

2.0 litre, 180bhp

 

[ALFAitalia]

Odd........one of my neighbours has a 2019 Mondeo 2.0 D.....that def has AdBlue as he's had issues with it....not sure of the power output though so that could be the difference.....thought they were just 150 or 180 hp.

EDIT. The models changed in 2019.....so maybe its the later EcoBlue ones that use it.....just a combination of guessing and Google!!

 

[ToeKnee]

Odd........one of my neighbours has a 2019 Mondeo 2.0 D.....that def has AdBlue as he's had issues with it....not sure of the power output though so that could be the difference.....thought they were just 150 or 180 hp.

EDIT. The models changed in 2019.....so maybe its the later EcoBlue ones that use it.....just a combination of guessing and Google!!

Yes mine isn't one of the ecoblue engines,I made sure of that when I bought it as I didn't want adblue.

 

[ALFAitalia]

Not sure what would be worse.....driving a car with potential AdBlue issues........or being seen driving a Ford in a public place!!!!!.....maybe this would help.

 

[markjay]

Not sure what would be worse.....driving a car with potential AdBlue issues........or being seen driving a Ford in a public place!!!!!.....maybe this would help.

Personally, I'm OK with being seen in a Ford: