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E320 CDI Sport versus E280 CDI AG - which one?

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Regular members will know just how much *** likes his 7G transmission!

Steve and myself have both had W211 E220's in the past and we now have the E320 Sport (***) and the E280 AG (D-18). Unlike ***, I was less enthusiastic about the 5G auto after mine 'went off' at about 20K miles and car and was never quite right despite the efforts of the dealer to fix it, so I bought the 280 with the 7G. My 7G has the 2nd to 1st downshift lurch when cold, but apart from that, the rest of the time it is absolutely fine and I find it suits my driving style.

Following our GTG at Dirleton, we decided to do a short back-to-back comparison between our two cars. We included a mixture of fairly quick A and B roads and a short section of urban 30mph stuff. It was interesting to see and feel the differences between these two very similar cars.

Transmission: I didn't think there was much to choose between the two cars in terms of shift quality. The changes in the 320 were slightly more obvious, but that's probably because we were both concentrating on that aspect - most people wouldn't spot any difference. ***'s car has done a few more miles than mine and that alone could account for the difference.

Drag race: We didn't actually try this side by side but to me, the published figures seem quite accurate with the 320 feeling about 0.5 of a second quicker to 60 mph than the 280. In a traffic light grand prix, I don't think would be much in it at all.

Normal driving: On the country roads we tried, I thought the extra power and torque of the 320 became more obvious and shoved the car out of the corners with a bit more enthusiasm than the 280 could manage. Neither car is wanting in this department, but the I felt the 320 had an advantage here and it would probably be easier to maintain a higher cross country speed in the 320 than the 280.

Comfort: Not all that much in it really. Over some corrugated urban surfaces, the Sport suspension made itself felt with a little more surface patter and noise being fed back to the cabin compared with the softer setup of the AG. Not a problem for either of us however, as *** likes to press-on a bit more than I do. I value comfort over handling. Both of us are happy we've picked the right car for our requirements.

Handling: If the 320 felt slightly too firm in town, then on the country roads, the stiffer setup of the Sport was clearly better than the slightly 'soggy' AG. This was probably where the biggest difference emerged between the two cars.

If our quick comparison proved anything, it is that you really need to have a reasonable length test drive in any car you are considering. Long term, the firmer ride (albeit with better handling) of the Sport would not suit me, yet I'm sure it is this aspect of the 'Shed' which puts the smile on ***'s face - until the 3 Series appears anyway....
 
Just wait until the 3 series M sport arrives :D

Back over the road test I did in the 3er and it was miles better which was to be expected in handling and body control. Weirdly through Aberlady and the twist road back to Aberlady and out onto the A1 the E I have is definitely more fidgety than the 3er which was a surprise, however, on the bigger bumps the 3er will be caught out more as there is less suspension travel but being a newer generation of car, it rides better. So does the 204 C class as I have driven one of those, and these ride better than the 211 does.

It was also interesting to note the differences in a facelifted 211, nicer display, larger mirrors. I would say because the weather was not too cold, we never got a major jolt from my box although its not quite as smooth as D18's.

I noticed on idle and being in the 280cdi, there was a little more refinement on offer and the smaller wheels on D18's car kicked up a lot less road noise although on balance, I like to trade that for a bit more grip and composure, but the drive there and back was very pleasant and the sports set up does tickle my fancy

Horses for courses, of which my three courses at lunch were most excellent :D
 
I was driving my brothers 520d and the drive and handling was so much better than my 211 and was more inline with what I would want from a car.

19s are a big factor but the overall feel of the car to me was superb but I feel more relaxed in the 211.... The 5 just leaves you cold inside.

I would go as far as saying that the 211 is more comforting and relaxing to drive but runs very well when needed to, but the 520 just has a better all round package...

I think I may also defect next time....
 
SPX said:
Is your E280 the Sport model, Mobeyone?

No, AG.

Only reason I never bought the sport was airmatic and at the mileage and year I was looking at buying would have meant another repair to factor in.

That said, I prefer the ride of the sport and know it's more inline to the ride of the Beemer. I am on the prowl for the sport alloys which will give a better and firmer ride for what I want.
 
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Only reason I never bought the sport was airmatic and at the mileage and year I was looking at buying would have meant another repair to factor in.

That said, I prefer the ride of the sport and know it's more inline to the ride of the Beemer. I am on the prowl for the sport alloys which will give a better and firmer ride for what I want.
Airmatic isn't on many W211 Sports?

All of my previous W211's were AG and this has been my first Sport and it's an absolute peach, at least a couple of notches higher than the others.

The seats are just perfect and the car just grips to the road with ease, although there is a bit of road noise from the tyres but that's to be expected with 'bigger' wheels.

Before you commit to a BMW, try a W211 Sport. I'm sure you'll like it but if you don't at least you gave it a try and won't always wonder.
 
I thought airmatic was on all sport models?

I'm stuck with current car for at least three years given what's been spent on it to date and what it will cost me...
 
I have an S211 320 Sport, it has self leveling suspension but not airmatic. I think it handles like a dream, but as this is my first MB (took a great deal of traling through ads to find it) I have not got much experiance to go on.

Tanz
 
tanzy_uk said:
I have an S211 320 Sport, it has self leveling suspension but not airmatic. I think it handles like a dream, but as this is my first MB (took a great deal of traling through ads to find it) I have not got much experiance to go on.

Tanz

That is interesting as I was under the impression the car had airmatic.....

Well, I plan on keeping the car long term, I've spent nearly £1400 on it in the first year and it looks like it needs the upper ball joints changing on the front.... So as the bills keep adding up, it makes no sense to sell as I am short on options for replacing it.
 
Out of curiosity how do you know the upper ball joints need replacing? I'm hearing a weird knocking sound coming from passenger side suspension area over bumps, wondering if it's something similar? Apologies for hijacking thread
 
Murff said:
Out of curiosity how do you know the upper ball joints need replacing? I'm hearing a weird knocking sound coming from passenger side suspension area over bumps, wondering if it's something similar?

Same kind of noise which resulted in the lower joint being replaced, I will run it in soon to be sure.

The sound you have maybe the drop link, I had this annoying clunk and greased the two ends of the link and the noise has since gone?!
 
Same kind of noise which resulted in the lower joint being replaced, I will run it in soon to be sure.

The sound you have maybe the drop link, I had this annoying clunk and greased the two ends of the link and the noise has since gone?!

Ah ok, you'll have to forgive me but I'm not sure where the drop link is? It's sounds like a relatively straight forward job once I know where and what it look like, also what kind of grease would you recommend?
 
Has the E280 AG got the same gearbox as the E320 and does it have sport mode? I am struggling to get to grips with the M mode on mine, when I have an impish moment :devil:, I mean need to overtake in a safe manor, I just use sport mode.

Tanz
 
tanzy_uk said:
Has the E280 AG got the same gearbox as the E320 and does it have sport mode? I am struggling to get to grips with the M mode on mine, when I have an impish moment :devil:, I mean need to overtake in a safe manor, I just use sport mode.

Tanz

Yes. Manual mode is a silly thing it never obeys you. Kickdown works well as does tapping the lever to the left or using the manual override on the when in C or S mode to get it into a lower gear to overtake
 
Thanks ***, might have to go and have a play with moving the gear stick to the left on some B roads, purely for reaserch reasons you understand! :D Out of interest what do you normally leave your gearbox in S or C? Could be worth a poll and new thread unless its already been done.

Tanz
 
Most of the time, "C" as it seems to be smoother and kicks down fine :D
 

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