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E320 CDI Turbo Failure at 37000 miles???

Brian WH

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Was on my way to Brittany in France on 9th June when at 507 miles into a 508 mile journey my car suddenly lost power.:crazy: Went into limp mode and only gave 1500 revs and 40 mph for the last mile, no indication on dash of any problem. :confused: Stopped engine and restarted and everything reset OK.:)

Two days later on the 12th June when touring around it did it again. This time I stopped and restarted and reset straight away, no further problem that day. Looked for local MB dealer but to no avail.

So I rang Mobilo. They contacted a dealer 40 miles away in Vannes and after many exchanges of Faxes between them the job was authorised. Tuesday morning a frenchman rang me and as he didn't speak English and my French is very limited we got nowhere. They rang back with an English speaker who told me they were sending a truck to collect my car and a hire car. Turned out to be a C200 CDI, LH drive of course, but manual. Have you tried changing gear with your right hand???:eek:

Wednesday Mobilo rang me to say the Turbo-Charger had to be replaced. As my car is out of warranty I asked, tongue in cheek, I assume it will be covered under warranty as its only 37000 miles and they should last a lot longer than that. We are looking at that sir he said as it is low mileage, should be OK but we will confirm later. The turbo is on order and should arrive FRIDAY?? They do not stock them?? As I was leaving my cottage to travel back to a Calais Hotel Saturday morning I was anxious to get the car on Friday to pack it.

Friday morning came and I chased them again. Part has arrived sir should be ready by 5.00pm? I hope they are delivering it I said, as apart from anything else I didn't know where the dealer was. Rang them again at 4.00pm to remind them that I wanted it delivered tonight without fail, . They called back at 5.30 to say car will not be ready until tomorrow or MONDAY???? I said in no uncertain terms that that wasn't good enough and they should get the dealer to honour his commitments or or I needed a RH drive E class hire car to go home with.

Anyway they finally said it would be ready 12.00 noon on Saturday. I said give me the address and I will be there at 11.00am to collect it. Had a devils only job to find this place in my sat-nav or local maps. Finally succeeded after help from local MB owners who were friends of the cottage owner.

Saturday packed C class and found I couldn't get all my luggage in the boot.:crazy: Had to have cases on the back seat.:crazy: I now know why I bought an E class.;)

Arrived at dealer at 10.45am and had to show them a calling card with a picture of my car on it to make them understand what I wanted.:eek: Car was ready at 11.15am cleaned inside and out. Four hours labour and a new Turbo - NO CHARGE all under guarantee sir. Result.:rock: :rock:

The only problem now will be my International mobile phone bill, which will be enormous.:crazy:

The Mobilo people were very helpful but I ended up talking to the Dutch office in Holland, who were faxing their colleagues in France, a different floor??? Who were faxing the dealer in Vannes, with little response from what I could see.

So a new Turbo after 37000 miles, not good news eh? I know others have had problems on the E270 CDI, but not the E320 CDI??? All this on top of my battery problem before my holiday.:devil:

Anyway apart from that it was a great holiday.:D :D
 
Blimey - what an evetful few days for you :eek: - glad it didn't spoil the holiday too much. But it is another result - a fixed car at no direct cost to you. But as ever the indirect costs can be not insignificant:rolleyes:
 
Relative inconvenience aside, a right result I would say. Part of me thinks you are actually lucky it happened abroad. I can't help but think it would not have been free had this struck in the UK.

I hate to think how much the costs are for the turbo replacement. I wonder how many other failures there have been on the 320CDI?
 
GrahamC230K said:
Relative inconvenience aside, a right result I would say. Part of me thinks you are actually lucky it happened abroad. I can't help but think it would not have been free had this struck in the UK.

I hate to think how much the costs are for the turbo replacement. I wonder how many other failures there have been on the 320CDI?

Good point Graham, but I can argue a lot better in English.:D
AS for the cost, my guess was £1500 for the Turbo and £500 for the labour.
 
well done on getting a free turbo :)

that is some goodwill repair, very impressive!
 
Yuk, Sounds like you did well to get it sorted.

Do you know what the problem with the turbo unit was? Any sign of a duff EGR valve?
 
Satch said:
Yuk, Sounds like you did well to get it sorted.

Do you know what the problem with the turbo unit was? Any sign of a duff EGR valve?

No mate, didn't have time to go into details and not speaking french didn't help either. I would have been interested though, but never mind eh.
 
My point Brian. I think the whole foreigner we can't even communicate with stuck as his low mileage MB has broken down big time helped your situation financially.
 
GrahamC230K said:
My point Brian. I think the whole foreigner we can't even communicate with stuck as his low mileage MB has broken down big time helped your situation financially.

Very much so. Add lots of warrenty parts and hours of work on to the workshop target. Car probably had a broken sender and now has half a new engine!
 
GrahamC230K said:
My point Brian. I think the whole foreigner we can't even communicate with stuck as his low mileage MB has broken down big time helped your situation financially.

Yes I agree, pays to act thick occasionally - No comments please.:D

This was a sad sight though.

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The cottage was nice though.

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Sorry will sort my pictures out tomorrow.:eek:DONE.
 
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You can replicate 1500RPM and 40mph by disconnecting the vacumm pipe that goes to the bolty-onny thing that actuates the valve. You wont get any fault codes either.

It implies there is a built-in safety sensor circuit to detect this scenerio as by disconnecting the vacumm you should expect MAX boost which could blow the turbo.

If a turbo fails i would expect it to seize completely, or suffer seal failure with resulting clouds of blue smoke.
 
skemball said:
You can replicate 1500RPM and 40mph by disconnecting the vacumm pipe that goes to the bolty-onny thing that actuates the valve. You wont get any fault codes either.

It implies there is a built-in safety sensor circuit to detect this scenerio as by disconnecting the vacumm you should expect MAX boost which could blow the turbo.

If a turbo fails i would expect it to seize completely, or suffer seal failure with resulting clouds of blue smoke.

It couldn't have failed completely or seized, as I was able to regain power by restarting. Also didn't see any smoke?
 
Great result that should not have really happened. I guarantee though that there will be folks still moaning about Mobilio ;)

Hopefully your problem is a one off? :rolleyes:

Well done,
John
 
skemball said:
You can replicate 1500RPM and 40mph by disconnecting the vacumm pipe that goes to the bolty-onny thing that actuates the valve. You wont get any fault codes either.

It implies there is a built-in safety sensor circuit to detect this scenerio as by disconnecting the vacumm you should expect MAX boost which could blow the turbo.

If a turbo fails i would expect it to seize completely, or suffer seal failure with resulting clouds of blue smoke.

"bolt-onny thing". I just love these detailed technical descriptions. :D :D
 
Had a similar occurence last week on my E 220 cdi. Exactly the same symptoms as described, loss of power which would resolve itself after restarting the engine.

Contacted mobilo and was advised to take it to local dealer who diagnosed a faulty actuator related to the turbo which cuts boost to avoid damaging the system. New Turbo ordered and 2 days later back on the road.

Car has done 52k miles, fortunately still have a couple of months warranty left! Looks like I better look into extended warranty/service contract!

Anyway, alls well that ends well!
 
I too recently ordered a Turbo from Germany for my car to solve the blue smoke problem that I am having with my W210 E220 CDI. I believe andreas_t is having the same problem, we had a thread going a while back regarding the same problem. I am keeping my fingers crossed since this is the only thing left that could cause this problem at such low miles i.e. 22000 miles.
 
Turbo failures are a common fault on CDi engined cars.
The fault is the wastegate sticking open so losing boost which is then detected via the boost sensor, thus throwing the ECU into "limp home" with no boost.
The switch off resets the system so all is good for a while.

The wastegate control actuator applies vacuum to close the wastegate. If the system fails or there is a vacuum loss the wastegate will open causing no boost as a safeguard.

Anyway, good result Brian.
 
turbo

i find it realy hard to grasp that at 37000 mile and 57000 mile there is a problem with the turbo they should last at least 120 k

tradiing standards sir suits you .

mercedes absolute balls
:bannana:
 
GROWLER said:
i find it realy hard to grasp that at 37000 mile and 57000 mile there is a problem with the turbo they should last at least 120 k

tradiing standards sir suits you .

mercedes absolute balls
:bannana:

At least they paid for it.:rolleyes:
 

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