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Electric cars and the future..

SDriVer63

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So as you guys know electric cars are being brought for primarily for tax purposes not for the pleasure or want for electric.. being that the fuel section in the economy is quite a big player as well as the hundreds of thousands of jobs in the car manufacturing industry, a huge employer, could the target for no sales of ICE vehicles by 2035 be a self destruction by the government and the economy ? Will companies be able to adapt to the electric future ? And as a mercades owner would you want to change from ICE to electric without any actual incentive?
 
Another bot asking about electric cars? Some crappy market research going on here
Market research? Nah buddy i just resent the idea of electric cars...just trying to get different opinions and the perks or drawbacks...as a general discussion.. stay safe Jol
 
Electric cars are not the future. Electric cars are a knee jerk response to a problem but as usual when governments and the alt hipster crowd get involved, its being pushed for the sake of being different. The draw backs and implications of such changes have not been fully thought and costed out.
 
Electric cars are not the future. Electric cars are a knee jerk response to a problem but as usual when governments and the alt hipster crowd get involved, its being pushed for the sake of being different. The draw backs and implications of such changes have not been fully thought and costed out.
Cheers for the response, and actually adding something of benefit, personally I'm happy with hybrids should that be the way forward however fully electric no thanks
 
If you went to Norway,(where I'm currently working) you'll realise electric cars will be the future, if the authorities help support the infrastructure.
Id say it's at least 50% electric over there.
 
If you went to Norway,(where I'm currently working) you'll realise electric cars will be the future, if the authorities help support the infrastructure.
Id say it's at least 50% electric over there.

Bucket loads of hydro power in Norway. Bucket loads of money too.
 
It's the charging infrastructure that is the big difference, at least 6 points in Macdonalds, supermarkets the same, they're everywhere.

But it is a very rich country, every other car is a big new electric car from a top manufacture, adorned with a couple of £5k+ electric bikes!
 
Electric cars have a place and purpose, but they’re not yet suitable for every use case.

We shouldn’t expect electric cars to do anything and everything - they’re not designed to. They make a lot of sense for urban use, especially in city cars.

I’ve fancied a Mitsubishi iMIEV for many years and would still quite like one.
 
Hybrids have been around a long time and have not really made any difference. Hybridisation has performance advantages but still suffers a weight penalty. Weight is the enemy of efficiency. But it leverages existing technology and does not require massive infrastructure projects to fully utilise.

Any infrastructure project undertaken by a government costs too much and takes too long (HS2 anyone?). Any infrastructure project undertaken by a private or third party usually leaves the end user paying heavily for it, and therefore worse off. Result: End user is a poorer and more disadvantaged regardless. Electric car infrastructure suffers exactly this problem today. Cars should not be subsidised, only charging equipment.

The natural gravitation in vehicular propulsion for 15-20 years has been FCV's and Hydrogen propulsion. Modular Hydrogen refuelling cells have been manufactured and installed around the UK since 2018, on existing petrol forecourts, admittedly Hydrogen is not widespread and it does require this infrastructure. But FCV's are no heavier, often lighter than the equivalent ICE car and with a similar range. Hydrogen production (see ITM Power Sheffield) is done at night and helps balance grid load (a major problem is solved by this, since industrial decline the UK power demand/reserve balance is difficult to manage with the diminshed heavy manufacturing power demand).

This guy is one of the most forward and open thinking individuals on alternate motive power, I am privileged to be starting development work with such a unit next year:

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Interestingly, when asked about the Nexo and IX35 FC vehicles and the positon of the Ioniq cars in the range, Dr Kim stated he does not know which way the technology will go and so Hyundai needs to be represented in every segment, as one can compliment the other. Why the UK government doesnt get people like this instead of letting eco loons like St Greta and George Monbiot drive the policy boils, no superheats, my piss.

My main problem with electric cars is the lie its sold on. Few people have invested enough money in personal energy generation to fully charge a vehicle at home, so rely on the grid in some way to charge it. The first cry from these folk is 'but I buy my energy from a green supplier'. All electric comes down the same cables. That's like urinating in the sea and attempting to take back only your own urine, after its mixed with the body of water complete. A ridiculous marketing ploy. One can look up the many examples of 'Green Washing' energy and its wastefulness, all of which has become more prevalent and sanctioned fully by the EU environmental policy.

Its also the 'zero emission' moniker. If its charged at home, purely by solar for example with no grid use, then its zero emission (Norway is 100% sustainable energy, but that's another story). All that cretin who thinks he runs London is doing by pushing electrification is moving the problem of emissions elsewhere. Kind of like spending all your time at home segregating your garbage for recycling, but then throwing it all over your neighbours fence for them to get rid of. Not very neighbourly, very selfish and equally stupid and self defeating.

I know my analogies are child like and I dont mean to be condescending, but until the eco zealots take these facts onboard and acknowledge them, there isn't going to be a sensible debate or policy direction on this.
 
Market research? Nah buddy i just resent the idea of electric cars...just trying to get different opinions and the perks or drawbacks...as a general discussion.. stay safe Jol
Post 1? At least introduce yourself in the new members section, a few pics of your car, then we know you're genuine. I'm a new member myself.
 
Can’t really offer much genuine thought on this, except that if I could afford a Model S P100D I’d buy one in a heartbeat, loved having a drive of one.
 
Average miles and even the dirtiest electricity production methods mean an EV is overall less polluting than ICE.

Of course they still pollute. Damn near everything we do, including breathing, generates pollution.

Zero emissions at point of use isn’t something to be dismissed.

Car plants won’t shut when ICE production stops, just the engine plants. That’s bad for the owners and workers, but can be mitigated for.

Until hydrogen can be produced relatively cleanly, it‘s of zero use as car fuel. I’ve no personal knowledge of this situation so it could be bogus, but I’ve read recently that it’s been impossible to get it in forecourts since March? More than one person commented on having an expensive lawn ornament for lack of fuel.
 
Combustion pollution isn't the only thing to 'worry' about.
The next big thing is rubber particulates from tyre abrasion ....
 
I listened to a bbc radio programme this morning,they were discussing micro electrically charged particles in the atmosphere,that can enter your lungs!.I almost forgot to mention this is from vehicle tyres
 
Is electric the way forward or is it a stop-gap?

Watching Le Mans this year I see they demonstrated a hydrogen-powered race car before the race. There are quite a few manufacturers experimenting with hydrogen vehicle and I see that London Transport have a number of buses being tested.

What happens when an electric-powered vehicle needs a replacement battery? Is that the end of the car?

We are buying a hybrid so I am not totally against electric and is hydrogen on the way in or on the way out
 
Never mind the issues with electric recharging infrastructure, those surrounding hydrogen are even greater.
TfL have to transport their buses to Swindon for service and refuelling, well that's stopping soon as Honda closes down.
Traction batteries for hybrid and EVs are serviceable, with modules independently exchanged. Very few issues posted with Toyota/Lexus batteries, warranty up to 15yrs with annual health checks
 

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