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Fuel pump problems

mikevernon

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Kenilworth, Warwickshire
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SLK320, BMW Z3, 530d, Caterham 7, Frogeye Sprite
I have a 2002 SLK 320 which has been standing for some months and now will crank but won't start. I replaced the crank sensor but stupidly didn't bother to check for fuel pressure first, and I now realise that the car won't start because the fuel pump doesn't run, not because the CPS was faulty. (I was fooled into thinking that the fuel system was ok because engine started the first time I tried it and ran for a short time, presumably because there was some residual fuel pressure in the system). I always tell other people to take a logical approach to problem solving rather than replacing parts until the problem is cured, so I'm ashamed that I didn't follow my own advice!

Before I take off the fuel pump I need to find out if is receiving power. I haven't yet taken the plastic cover off the pump to test it because that looks an arkward job. I have uncovered the K40 relay thanks to Bazzle's post, but I'm not sure which of the 5 coils supplies power to the pump. When I turn the key to the first position (ignition on) the contacts on coils 3 and 4 close (counting from the left, ie. the side with the 40amp fuse). Turning the key to the second (start) position has no further effect, so the contacts on coils 1,2 and 5 remain open. Manually closing the contacts on number 1 operates what sounds like a fan motor, and doing the same on number 5 operates the horn. I'm guessing that the fuel pump should be operated by the closing of one of these sets of contacts, but which one? I believe that the pump only runs for the first 2 seconds after switching on, or when the starter motor is running, shouldn't I be able to observe the relevant contacts closing under those conditions?

The soldering on the K40 circuit board looks absolutely fine by the way. Can anybody point me in the right direction to test the fuel pump without getting under the car and removing the cover? If I knew which wire supplies the pump from the K40 unit I could simply jump a 12v feed to see if the pump operates.
 
If you have access to the fuel pump relay the output to the pump will be on Pin 87
 
If you have access to the fuel pump relay the output to the pump will be on Pin 87

Hi Malcolm
Is there another relay for the fuel pump besides the K40 unit? The K40 seems to be a combined unit containing 5 sets of contacts, and I'm assuming that one of these coils/contacts acts as the fuel pump relay.
Is that correct?
 
I've made some good progress today! I disconnected the two wires from the fuel pump and when I connected the pump to an external power supply it ran and the engine started.:) :) :) I then put a meter across the two wires leading to the pump (still disconnected from the pump) to measure the voltage while cranking the engine and failed to get a reading. So the fuel pump and the CPS are definitely OK, and the problem is that the pump isn't receiving any power from the K40 module.

Where do I go from here? As I said earlier the soldering on the K40 looks fine but the contacts on the fuel pump relay coil are not closing. I don't know if the module is faulty or whether it isn't receiving the signal to energise the coil. How can I test it?
 
This could all be part of the imobilser I will see who much time I have today, but no promises
 
Hi Malcolm
Did you have any success with your investigation?
I suppose it could be an immobiliser type problem, but wouldn't the starter or ignition system be immobilized rather than the fuel pump?
 
Hi Malcolm
Did you have any success with your investigation?
I suppose it could be an immobiliser type problem, but wouldn't the starter or ignition system be immobilized rather than the fuel pump?

As I understand both are on the immobiliser

It is a massive amount of work wading through the diagrams that are very poor
As standard fuel pump wires are blue and white and are used for trackers

I will see what I can find
 
The immobiliser is the EIS so if it's faulty there won't be any action as a result of inserting the key, so the immobiliser function must be Ok.

All engine running functions are controlled directly by the engine ECU which recieves a start signal from the EIS via the CAN.

The running sequence will be such that the ECU sees engine turning for nn seconds then switches on the fuel pump relay.
 
YIPPEEEEEEEEEEEEEE !!!!!! Problem solved at long last.

It turned our to be a faulty coil on the fuel pump relay inside the k40 module. Once identified, my local electronis man soldered in a new relay for £10.

Thanks to all those who contributed on here. Perhaps I should post an overview of the testing and diagnosis.

Mike
 

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