ICE cars given 5 year reprieve

[Germgh0st]

PM confirms ban on sale of new fossil fuel cars and vans to be delayed

The ban on the sale of new internal combustion engine (ICE) cars and vans from 2030 has been scrapped, the Prime Minister has announced.

www.fleetnews.co.uk

 

[davymead]

Now where’s that popcorn

 

[ALFAitalia]

No one more surprised than me.....looks like drivers votes outnumber tree/bunny hungers votes!!! @markjay will be crying into his coffee!!

 

[markjay]

No one more surprised than me.....looks like drivers votes outnumber tree/bunny hungers votes!!! @markjay will be crying into his coffee!!

I don't have a horse in this race.

My only concern is air quality in city centres and other urban areas. As far as I'm concerned, all city centres should be converted to pedestrian zones, or at leased closed to private cars.

With regards the planet.... EVs are not green. We should have less cars, and drive them less (have I said this before? ) - to my mind, that's the only long term solution.

As far as I am concerned, the government can do what they like. People should buy EVs if it suits them.

But I still get annoyed when people post nonsense about them...

 

[ALFAitalia]

To be fair there is just as much nonsense talked by the pro EV lobby!.....thats not a dig at you personally by the way. EVs can improve local air quality........but they are sold as a way of saving the planet.......but even with all cars going EV it will make a TINY difference overall.
This guy is quite interesting ...IMO he gets a few bit wrong or badly worded.....but the crux of what he's saying is how I see it and supports some of what I've read. Just to be clear I don't want an EV for my own reasons.....but I'm not anti them in any way.....to me its just another fuel for your car....nothing more, nothing less.

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[GrahamT]

I wonder what next will be thrown to the Gammon voters ?

 

[BlackC55]

Very many garages have invested in training, tools etc in preparation for this. Its pissed off a lot of people in my trade.

 

[Wearsthefoxhat]

Very many garages have invested in training, tools etc in preparation for this. It’s pissed off a lot of people in my trade.

The EV trade will still be there for those that have invested, and will steadily grow.
As for specialists like yourself, hopefully a further five years of good business, time to ease yourself into the specialist EV’s as they evolve and a few more “Benz on the Green” events.

 

[MCFastybloke]

Expect it to slip further as time passes. A fundamental flaw in the whole thing is the electric, there isnet enough, and we hear talk of 100000 new home a year and phasing out of gas boilers and oil fired heating. The infrastructure plan has more holes than the titanic.

 

[ALFAitalia]

Just not true.......the National Grid have said (many more times than once) that If every car turned EV tonight they could cope. Capacity has grown lots over the last few years (with more renewables coming online all the time)......and yet demand has reduced over the last 20 years. I don't think it will slip any further......there seems to be very little reason that it did this time apart to bring us inline with Europe's date......but then I didnt think it would slip to 2035 (which was of course the original date) either so what do I know!


From the link below...
"
The simple answer is yes. The highest peak electricity demand in the UK in recent years was 62GW in 2002. Since then, the nation’s peak demand has fallen by roughly 16% due to improvements in energy efficiency.

Even if we all switched to EVs overnight, we estimate demand would only increase by around 10%. So we’d still be using less power as a nation than we did in 2002, and this is well within the range the grid can capably handle."

Busting the myths and misconceptions about electric vehicles | National Grid Group

Can the electricity grid cope with more EVs? And what really happens to old EV batteries? Find out the answer to these and many more questions about electric vehicles in our comprehensive EV myth-buster.

www.nationalgrid.com

 

[190]

What Rishi has done is pragmatic and sensible but it won't make emissions very much worse than they would have been anyway. It's actually not a very big deal as it only reinstates the target date we had before it was brought forward. As you would expect, it's being well received, green extremists excepted of course.

I draw two conclusions:

The public will have no real problem with EV's in the long run once they become economically affordable. What they objected to is the Pi$$ poor planning by the government (read May and Johnson) that was based on little more than wishful thinking. No body likes to be forced into something they were not ready for especially when they can see the lack of realism behind it all.

Given that it really isn't a big deal, the vitriol with which the green extremists have responded is quite shocking. That tells me that you can't have a rational debate with them when something sensible is being proposed . They are religious fanatics that believe in their cause to the exclusion of everything else. They really don't care what the impact of net zero will be on the economy or on our personal finances. I live in hope that the public will see that the greens are not fit people to do business with. They would be an utter disaster should they ever get in power as the SNP have learnt to their cost.

 

[st13phil]

Just not true.......the National Grid have said (many more times than once) that If every car turned EV tonight they could cope.

There's a not-too-subtle difference between the National Grid being able to cope and local bearers being able to cope.

For example, there are numerous motorway services who either have installed or plan to install multiple EV charging points but can only run (say) two or three because the incoming bearer to the site has insufficient capacity. This is true at street level too, so saying that the National Grid can cope is only part of the picture.

 

[190]

There's a not-too-subtle difference between the National Grid being able to cope and local bearers being able to cope.

For example, there are numerous motorway services who either have installed or plan to install multiple EV charging points but can only run (say) two or three because the incoming bearer to the site has insufficient capacity. This is true at street level too, so saying that the National Grid can cope is only part of the picture.

This is spot on.

I have experience in running a high voltage electrical distribution system the size of a small town. National Grid may be able to generate enough power but the local distribution system will not cope with both charging EV's and running heat pumps. I've even done the sums based on the number of houses supplied by my local substation and it couldn't possibly cope without some form of automated load shedding. You certainly wouldn't be able to heat the house and charge the car at the same time. The wiring to the house will cope as most modern ones have a 100 Amp supply but the transformer in the substation won't be big enough to supply all of the houses at the same time and that will also go for the next level up of transformers. Bottom line is it's going to cost big money to upgrade loacal distrubuttion.

 

[KennyN]

but the local distribution system will not cope with both charging EV's and running heat pumps. I've even done the sums based on the number of houses supplied by my local substation and it couldn't possibly cope without some form of automated load shedding. You certainly wouldn't be able to heat the house and charge the car at the same time. The wiring to the house will cope as most modern ones have a 100 Amp supply but the transformer in the substation won't be big enough to supply all of the houses at the same time and that will also go for the next level up of transformers. Bottom line is it's going to cost big money to upgrade local distribution.

The supply seems to be on the limit at present , around here anyway.

Between 19:00 - 22.00 our house becomes haunted with the lights flickering and the supply dipping considerably.

This is what we get around the above times :

20230917_203126 by Kenny Niven, on Flickr

Boiling a kettle or putting the oven on sees it dipping even further and dont even consider using the electric shower in the ensuite as it will probably put out the landing lights at Glasgow Airport.

Cant imagine what would happen if there were any houses on the street that had an EV that need charged.

K

 

[MCFastybloke]

How was the record 62MW generated 21 years ago? Some of those stations are shut now,Sun isnt on at night and wind is fickle. No mention of the other growing domestic housing burden and the BEV that will go with it.

I am a skeptical person and the writers of such info will manipulate the info and write the article in a way that can be read as a positive. I do know with all thats going on we will need more juice and im not seeing where this is coming from.

Dinorwic or Electric Mountain are on with an expansion and Crucachan in Scotland has some increased capacity in planning, its a drop in the ocean compared to the demand thats coming.

 

[rf065]

Just not true.......the National Grid have said (many more times than once) that If every car turned EV tonight they could cope. Capacity has grown lots over the last few years (with more renewables coming online all the time).

The National Grid are responsible for the underground cables and pylons that supply electricity from the windfarms and power stations around England and Wales. They do not own the cables that run through the streets in every town and it is these cables that are not capable of supplying enough electric if we all had EV's. The local electric companies that you pay your bill to own these cables and they were never designed to carry the amount of electricity required if everyone bought EV's.

 

[Fastcar155]

Hi , that date might alter depending who wins the next general election.

 

[Flyinspanner]

The supply seems to be on the limit at present , around here anyway.

Between 19:00 - 22.00 our house becomes haunted with the lights flickering and the supply dipping considerably.

This is what we get around the above times :

20230917_203126 by Kenny Niven, on Flickr

Boiling a kettle or putting the oven on sees it dipping even further and dont even consider using the electric shower in the ensuite as it will probably put out the landing lights at Glasgow Airport.

Cant imagine what would happen if there were any houses on the street that had an EV that need charged.

K

You should inform your DNO.
This undervoltage can damage YOUR electrical equipment!
As the lowered voltage will make it draw a higher current.
They are legally responsible to deliver the correct voltage to avoid damage and increased fire risk.
You can search who your local DNO is online - not necessarily your electricity’provider’ you can look it up online.

 

[markjay]

This should be good news for new car buyers.

If car manufacturers must sell 80% zero-emissions cars, they will be bending over backwards and offering discounts to prospective EV customers.

But the flip side is that they might push up the price of ICE cars to deter people from buying them - we'll see.

 

[KennyN]

You should inform your DNO.
This undervoltage can damage electrical equipment

Done that numerous times , they have also visited and confirmed the issue is not with anything on our side of things. I have submitted pics of the house drawing 1.5A when "idling" but the voltage is still < 200v , i also have pics of both supply wires disconnected from the consumer unit and still showing a low voltage on the MM.

First time they told us it was an issue at a local sub station , second time it was a problem with a fuse at a local distribution panel.

They are presently doing a lot of work in the area and running cables all over the place so we will see what happens once that is complete.

Just lucky that there are more toothbrushes being charged than Tesla's a present. (other EV`s are available)

K