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MB Repair Problem

P222LLY

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Summary of Recent Events:
Involved in non fault collision. My 10 month old Mercedes is damaged, no damage to at fault drivers car...grrrrrrr!!!
Contact my insurance to make a claim, only want car to go to MB repairer in order to preserve my warranty. MB collect car - take keys and load on to a low loader. Car away for almost 3 weeks. On return car is now covered in spiderweb scratching and repaired paintwork is orange peel - am absolutely raging mad!!!! Bodyshop are refusing to take any liability for the damage to my car - looks like it has been polished with a scrubbing brush!! Contact Dealers Customer service who were as much use as a bucket with a hole in it! Adviced to contact MB uk, Dealers own bodyshop!! Contact insurance company - they dont want to know as I didnt use their recommeded repairer!
Bodyshop send out "quality controller" - dont know what quality he is meant to be in control of though. He advices me that there is nothing in HIS bodyshop that could cause this spider web scratching on my car....yeah right!!!! Suggest he goes and has a harder look as something has caused it as it wasnt like that when it rolled onto their transporter!!! Again he ASSURED me that there was nothing in his bodyshop that would cause this damage, I bid him good day and told him to run along as I refused to communicate with someone who obviously thought I was a woman of little intellect or had no knowledge about cars. (I am in the car industry and car was being inspected at my workplace - d'oh!) Am still awaiting bodyshop manager to call me re his quality controllers inspection of my car.
Contact Damieler Chrysler - now funnily enough I get a phone call from the bodyshop, not the manager might I point out. Enforced to this person that my car had not been taken away with this damage and had been returned with this damage. so unless they lent it to someone then they caused the damage. Spun the "we have nothing that would cause that damage" story again....suggest that perhaps it was caused by someone inexperienced using and orbital buffer - ohhhhh but we didnt polish your car! Ahhh I see, so that makes things fine! So, did you wash the car? Well, yes of course! Ahhh so you dont use clothes in your bodyshop, because a dirty one could obviously cause the bloody damage to the car!!!!! Anyway while you are on the telephone to me, lets discuss the shoddy repair you have done on my car. SHODDY?!!! Yip, you heard me, S H O D D Y! It is an orange peel repair.......silence....!!!! When did you notice this? What does that matter, its a poor repair that you have done on my car. I have had it inspected by an independent specialist and while not the worst it is POOR!!! Dont think much of your quality controller as he obviously didnt have his glasses on when he came to see the car, perhaps I should have pointed this out to him. So, miss receptionist who has been put on the phone to fob me off, suggest you go back to daimler chrysler and explain to them that you have F**KED my car and then tell them to call me with the solution to my problem, and the solution better not involve your bodyshop as you will not get your hands on my car again!!
Now, apologise if I sound irate, this is just the tip of the iceberg that you are getting....basically I have done everything by the book, used MB to preserve warranty and have a car that has a poor repair and is totally covered in spiderweb scratching! Am at my wits end and feel that no one is willing to help, I even considered dumping car at dealers front door with signs all over it to let others see what happens when they repair it. Perhaps I am an isolated incident, but even then I AM entitled to a certain standard of service and I am definately not getting that, irrespective of the age of my car it was not repaired to a standard and damaged while in their care...its turning into a tit for tat...we didnt do that, yes you did, no we didnt, yes you did....I KNOW MY CAR and THEY DID!!! All I want is the car looking the way she looked when they took her away minus the minor damage that she took on impact....yes minor damage that has turned into a major nightmare!!
Anyone had similar problems? Have they been resolved? Any suggestions on what to do?
 
I am surprised that teh bodyshop hasn't offered to buff the car, especially the orange peel area.
As you might already know the orange peel effect is normally the laquer coat so should cut back to a nice smooth finish if mopped.

I detect you are frustrated by this and have let loose at the dealer.
One piece of advice I would give is for you to approach the bodyshop Manager but to be very clam and collected. Show Him/Her the problem and ask what they think, whilst accepting that problems can and do occur.

They will probably offer to buff the car.

Your car should be coated with nanno laquer which is supposed to be resilliant to scratching and swirl marks so think whether any of your actions may have contributed to the swirls. Have you or anyone else ever taken the car through an automatic car wash?
 
I agree with Dieselman - can't comment on the nano paint/lacquer, but it sounds as though the repaired area needs wet flatting/compounding/buffing and the other areas require buffing with compound too (regardless of who is to blame for this?)

Is the car a dark colour by any chance? Modern MBs seem to have a poor standard of finish these days - ie, more 'orange peel' effect on the paintwork which I suspect is to do with the type of paint and/or methods of application/finishing used these days?

Will
 
Is it a SA C-class. If so the orange peel is a no cost option factory finish. Probably the dealer was just trying to match the finish.;)
 
Car is Diamond Black, has never been near an automatic car wash, only ever been hand washed by myself using lambswool wash glove and two buckets, one for soap and one for rinse. Initially approached the bodyshop with calmness and while I understand that problems do occur and orange peel isnt such a big deal, it shouldnt have left the body shop without being removed. My main grip is the spider webbing, I am aware of the problems associated with owning a black car and took all precautions to avoid such mishaps. Obviously disgruntled as I expected a particular standard of service.
 
Car is C180K Sport Edition. There are no other orange peel areas on car other than the small repair (nsf, below wheel arch just under badge) which was 4in in length most most of nsf arch is now orange peel.
 
Welcome to the forum..:) Sorry to hear about your car:( and I hope you get it sorted.

Ady
 
Thanks for the welcome Ady, i'm sure situation will be resolved. I'm just not a happy bunny with present circumstances.
 
Welcome to the forum. I can understand your desire to to wring someones neck, but the old adage "you catch more flies with honey than vinegar". Be nice to the bodyshop manager to get what you want done to sort your car, and then find a different dealer to use from then onwards. I hope you get this resolved.
 
P222LLY said:
So, miss receptionist who has been put on the phone to fob me off, suggest you go back to daimler chrysler and explain to them that you have F**KED my car and then tell them to call me
As has been said several times, softly, softly catchee monkee. Your anger is clearly portrayed in your first message, but I firmly believe that treating others in a manner you would expect to be treated is the way to go. The manager probably did not carry out the repair and might be guilty of loyalty to their staff. You have simply to impress upon this person that you are a customer who is dissatisfied. There is no excuse for poor service and no one will defend it.

Dieselman and I have had lengthy discussions over the nano top coat and I am still to be convinced that workshops can apply it in the correct manner (if indeed they can actually get the stuff in the first place???) I'm not sure I would like the fitted panels of my car baked in temperatures of three hundred degrees Fahrenheit.

Good luck,
John
 
P222LLY,

Sorry to hear of your experience and I really feel for you. :mad: :(

I have had plenty of similar experiences like yours BUT with Stealerships and had a couple of incidents very recently. Stealership had charged me for work that was related to warranty (did not even fix the fault) in order to release my vehicle form their custody! The Service Manager did not reply to my recorded delivered letter or return any of my phone calls. DC UK Customer Services based in Maastricht (English staff) did not care and basically called me a liar and were very rude to myself over the telephone and did not want to know and they had taken the side of the Stealership. DC even had the cheek to at first state in writing and verbally that they were not willing to help me any further. I then got a senior technical expert to verify that the fault was still present with my vehicle and that it had not been fixed and should be covered under warranty FOC! DC UK Customer Services at first still refused to assist in getting my reimbursement until I escalated right to the top with Senior Management and that’s when they realised that they were in the wrong along with the Stealer BUT did not admit to it or even apologise!

I at first I had tried the “Mr Nice Guy” approach and got no where and that’s when they walked all over me and fobbed me off and were very rude to myself! Remember “nice guys always finish last…”. Be firm but polite as they get with you!

As a result of this and another incident I have cancelled an order for a brand spanking new W221… I’m looking defecting to Porsche now until DC UK sort themselves out in addition to the Stealerships and the quality of their vehicles!
 
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Thanks for all the all the support. On reading my post over I was obviously typing in Miss Angry mode, however, Miss Nice was my initial approach, however, that was getting me nowhere, couldnt even get a return phone call from MB Bodyshop. If one of my customers has a problem then I dont push it to one side and forget about it, I deal with it and I would expect any manager regardless of loyalty to their staff to take on board a problem and deal with it head on instead of allowing it to become a firefighting issue...this only makes the customer more frustrated and angry.
Anyway, and here is the laugh, I deal with the ABI at work and after lots of thinking, surely I cannot be in a penalising situation due to not using a recommended repairer, I must have some rights, bodyshop work is afterall guaranteed and even if I didnt use the recommended repairer and lost all rights to the use of a Chevrolet Matiz (damn!!!) for 14 days, the authorisation given by insurer to MB Bodyshop is an acceptance of contract with the repairer and I should therefore have same rights under contract law as the insured that chooses the recommended repairer. If not then they are essentially allowing cars to become devalued due to the enforcement of having to use recommended repairers in order to receive any help from insurer should a problem arise. Doesnt seem very ethical to me, but then i'm a very small fish in a very large pond, but small fish with big attitude :-)
I'm obviously not the first person to have a problem like this, but perhaps I may be the first that has the stickability to ensurer a resolution. Hmmmm might have to go to the European Courts for this one guys....keep your eyes on the headlines of the nationals!!
 
P222LLY said:
Hmmmm might have to go to the European Courts for this one guys....keep your eyes on the headlines of the nationals!!
That's a bit drastic (and possible slow) option. Have you tried the Which Magazine legal services?
 
P222LLY said:
Thanks for all the all the support. On reading my post over I was obviously typing in Miss Angry mode, however, Miss Nice was my initial approach, however, that was getting me nowhere, couldnt even get a return phone call from MB Bodyshop. If one of my customers has a problem then I dont push it to one side and forget about it, I deal with it and I would expect any manager regardless of loyalty to their staff to take on board a problem and deal with it head on instead of allowing it to become a firefighting issue...this only makes the customer more frustrated and angry.
Anyway, and here is the laugh, I deal with the ABI at work and after lots of thinking, surely I cannot be in a penalising situation due to not using a recommended repairer, I must have some rights, bodyshop work is afterall guaranteed and even if I didnt use the recommended repairer and lost all rights to the use of a Chevrolet Matiz (damn!!!) for 14 days, the authorisation given by insurer to MB Bodyshop is an acceptance of contract with the repairer and I should therefore have same rights under contract law as the insured that chooses the recommended repairer. If not then they are essentially allowing cars to become devalued due to the enforcement of having to use recommended repairers in order to receive any help from insurer should a problem arise. Doesnt seem very ethical to me, but then i'm a very small fish in a very large pond, but small fish with big attitude :-)
I'm obviously not the first person to have a problem like this, but perhaps I may be the first that has the stickability to ensurer a resolution. Hmmmm might have to go to the European Courts for this one guys....keep your eyes on the headlines of the nationals!!

You have raised a good point in this post. As you say your contract is with your insurer so they should sort the problem as they have paid the repairer, thus it is they that have entered into a contract with them, not you.
A neighbour recieved a small amount of damage to the bonnet of his car and was dissatisfied with the colour of the paint when repaired. After some to-ing and fro-ing with the repairer his insurance company agreed to refund his excess and have the bonnet resprayed at the local BMW dealer.
Good luck
 
Yuo don't mention which part of the country you are from.
I had a quality problem with a bodyshop used by MB Watford. I believe that this bodyshop is used by other dealers in the same group.
Repair work was carried out on a 5 year old car which I was promised would "be like new". The end result was over spray on glass & rubber trims, spray over rust, damage to other panels, mismatched colourrs, etc.
When I complained I was confronted with main dealer head man saying "I expect too much for a 5 year old car"
End result was a full refund on the car - I feel sorry for the next buyer as the car was put straight back on the forecourt - even with the same mileage as before I bought the car several weeks earlier.

Be persistant. Mercedes sell as a quality car and you should expect the full quality experience. They have charged your insurance company to carry out a satisfactory repair and that is what you should expect.
Good luck.
 
Update

In order to try resolve the problem I am having to allow the original repairer to have another bash at fixing the minor repair which they have made a larger repair, along with orange peel repair I now have oxidisation around the repair.
However, on visiting the repairer with my insurance company engineer, I had the opportunity to watch how the washed the cars coming in for repair. Firstly they soaked the car with a power washer and then soaped with a power washer and then.....they took a brush, yes a brush!!! to the car to rub in the soap......now recall the original meeting with the car repairers Quality Controller, "there is nothing in our bodyshop that would cause the scratching to your car". When I take my car back in for them to try an amend the mess of the repair I shall also be taking in my digital camera and taking many pictures of the washing of cars. I am now past the point of anger in all of this, not only have I been called a liar as to the condition of my car when they received it, I have also stood and watched, mouth agap, at a car being scrubbed with a brush!!!! MB customer service were most unhelpful and i was given no options to resolve my issues with their approved repairer, so we shall see what transpires from my photographs of the cars being washed.
 
Washing cars with a brush? There are some frighteningly stupid people out there.
 

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