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Mercedes 500SEL

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1991 500E
What are people experiences of these?

I wanted a 560SEL so feel suitably under endowed but the price is great and it still has a reasonable amount of power.

120,000 miles on it currently with a good history.

What mileage am I looking at, 15mpg average? Or can it do more?

It's to replace my 500E as the daily runabout, so obviously the man maths has come into play as i'm replacing a 5.0 litre 32V V8 4 door saloon with a larger 5.0 litre 16V V8 4 door saloon :p .

Blue with cream leather, not sure of the rest of the spec yet.

Dave!
 
Why don't you want to use the E every day Dave?

If I was home more then i'd use it every day but i'm away for months at a time. The garage is needed for the Escort.

Also as I have a bit of an OCD over it the marks, dings etc have gotten very annoying. Having an original exhaust ruined by a pleb who can't park was the final straw so it's in storage at the minute and will be used in the summer for a road trip.

The fact it's in proper temp controlled storage and gets regular exercise from the company make me feel better about storing it as in general i'm not a fan and would rather t be in more constant use.

Dave!
 
I bought a 500SEL a couple of months back , after a few weeks of looking at various cars .

The reasoning was that we had recently had a baby , and needed something roomier than the 190E I was using as a 'daily driver' : by the time the baby buggy and all the other baby stuff had filled the 190's small boot to capacity , the infant carrier was tightly squeezed into the back seat ( touching the back of the front seat ) it was clear we needed something bigger . I thought briefly about another estate car , but having had 3 in a row over a 15 year period ( a W123 then two W124s ) I didn't want another . I fancied neither an MPV nor a 4x4 ( though I did briefly consider looking for a G Wagen ) but did like the idea of an 'S' class and decided an SEL would offer more space and comfort . I had had a W116 before and knew them to be thirsty beasts and , although I prefer the styling , also knew it would be hard to find a decent one at a reasonable price ; likewise I did briefly consider a W140 but these cars have so much electronics in them and have such a bad reputation for all the gadgets going wrong that I decided a W126 was the best option .

On the subject of fuel economy , I knew that the earlier models ( W116 350SE/450SEL ) would return no better than 15 mpg , but had been assured by a number of people over on the MBOC that with a W126 500SE/SEL mileages for mixed driving of around 20 mpg and 25 or better on a run were achievable .

While I would have bought any model in any colour that turned up in good condition at the right price , I knew the larger engined cars had depreciated severely because of the increase in fuel prices last year and felt that going for a 500 rather than one of the smaller engines would also likely get me a more highly optioned car . At the end of the day , though , I was looking for a car with sound bodywork and reliable machanics . Having looked at W126's in the past , I knew about the rust issues and again saw a lot of cars going cheap because they had rotten bumper chrome / rusty wings/wheelarches . I was also trying to look at cars within a more or less 100 miles radius as I could waste a lot of time and money travelling further to view cars .

I eventually found one being sold by a fellow member of the MBOC and after phoning another club member who I knew lived in the same town , who confirmed he knew the car and it was ' a good un ' , I came to a deal with the seller whereby we agreed on a price and he would put a new MOT on the car ( it had been off the road for about 3 months since the old tax/mot had expired as he had replaced the car with a newer one ), still subject to my inspection and a satisfactory test drive . It turned out the car needed one piece of the exhaust replaced for the mot , but after a bit of haggling I agreed to pay half the cost of this on top of the previously agreed price if
I bought the car . It took a few days for the parts to come in , then I got word the car was MOT'd and ready to go , so I got a train across country . When I saw the car it was dirty ( the seller had just collected it from the MOT garage ) but an inspection revealed no rust anywhere ( other than the small area under the parcel shelf in the boot which I was already aware of and had been sent a digital picture of - job for the summer ) . Everything worked as it should ( other than the pop-up wind deflector for the sunroof which had also been pointed out beforehand , again an easy fix when I get the time ) . The car drove fine on the test drive so I took it .

Since then , I've been to Aberdeen a couple of times , down to Liverpool last week and put about 5000 miles of general driving on it . On the long runs I can confirm that 25mpg is achievable ; the run down M6 to Liverpool on Jan 1st , cruise control set to 70 most of the way , but with temperatures dropping as low as -5 in places and not rising above zero anywhere saw an average of 23 mpg over two tankfuls ( I had topped up with £58 worth before leaving Glasgow , and after a couple of days running about in Liverpool , filled up with £54 worth before returning , and had just under 1/2 tank showing when I got back ) . The normal daily mix of town driving and ( congested ) motorway driving probably sees 20 mpg or a little worse , but I don't FEEL the car any more costly to run than either my 190E 2.6 which I still have or my 300TE-24 which is sadly gone now .

Over the time I have had it , I have done NOTHING to the car itself and it hasn't missed a beat , always starts first time , runs smoothly and is a pleasure to drive . The one thing that is not so good is that the heater is none too hot - from speaking to ther 126 owners over on the MBOC forum it seems this is quite a common problem - on the run through very low ambient temperatures last week , it was not possible to get the car more than lukewarm . During normal outdoor temperatures the car does warm up inside eventually but the air coming out of the heater vents could never be described as any more than warm at best . I will try flushing through the cooling system as I don't know if or when it was last done . After that , I'll look at the duovalve and see if that's gunged up . I'm not about to spend £350 at the dealer for a new one , but a valve out of a W124 , which can easily be found in the breakers might fit , or the internal parts can be swapped over .

I am currently in the process of fitting my stereo system into the car : I have upgraded the factory fit speakers in the front and fitted the bulk of the electronics ( 3 amplifiers , 2 CD changers and a DSP unit ) into the boot and am awaiting delivery of two KEF B139 bass units which I will fit into the new parcel shelf I am making and use as subwoofers . I still have a lot of cabling to run and will then fit my head unit to replace the 'all in one' CD/radio unit currently in the car . At the same time I'll replace the one bit of burr walnut in the dash which is in poor condition and will replace all the bulbs as a few are out .

The pre-facelift leather interior is a bit shabby , but I knew that beforehand and will look out for a nicer post facelift interior later on - ideally with the two individual rear seats rather than the bench I currently have ( although I do have the electric back seat ) . The car , in 199 blue/black used to be a funeral car and had been well maintained with FSH but the wear to the interior was to be expected .
 
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The one i'm looking at is a 1990 but as of yet I don't know the exact spec (Friends fathers car) but is supposed to have been well looked after.

I'm expecting the Air Con not to work but wouldn't mind the 2 single seats in the back like my W124.

What's the ride like?

I'm tempted to put a nicer stereo in but i'll see how I feel about the standard set up.

Your car sounds a nice combination, any pictures?

Dave!
 
The ride is softer and more 'wallowy' than a W124 or W201 , but once you get used to it , the car can be hustled along to good effect . It is more of a 'magic carpet' ride designed for comfort than sports car handling .

I'll see what pics I can find to post - haven't taken many yet as still have to get the car properly cleaned - inside and out .
 
I only have these ones so far :

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I like the interior very much :cool:

The one i'm looking at apparently has a scabby rear bumper but it doesn't really bother me at the minute, i'm sure I can do something with it.

Dave!
 
If you can find a good used bumper , you're in luck !

The chrome inserts , which are very prone to rotting , are something like £400 per piece !!!!
 
BTW , I believe JayManek bought the 560SEL that NeilRR was recently trying to sell on here and elsewhere .

It is a very highly optioned car and AFAIK had a problem with the pump for the hydropneumatic suspension .

Although Jay bought the car I don't think he has any plans for it so maybe worthwhile speaking to him if interested ?
 
The fact it's in proper temp controlled storage and gets regular exercise from the company make me feel better about storing it

Waiting for an advert for a company offering Airport and Wedding work saying they now have a 500E on the books as well now....
 
BTW , I believe JayManek bought the 560SEL that NeilRR was recently trying to sell on here and elsewhere .

It is a very highly optioned car and AFAIK had a problem with the pump for the hydropneumatic suspension .

Although Jay bought the car I don't think he has any plans for it so maybe worthwhile speaking to him if interested ?

yes I have it but sold the ecu so i dont think it will run anymore... looks like its going to be broken...
 
Dave

For a w124 500E driver, you'll find the SEL's a huge dissapointment from a driver's perspective.

SEL's are very long wheelbase and handing-wise, you've got more chance of doing a handrake turn in a cruiseliner !

I speak from experience....2 w126 SEL's in my garage (an AMG and a Brabus) and i can comfortably say that the SE's and SECs are much better handlers. That is relative to the SELs. Relative to a properly set-up w124 500E, any w126 has dire handling.

SE's are only availble as 300, 420 or 500's (there are pre 85 280 and 380 versions). 560 SEs were never made available to the UK and only 1260 were issued worldwide, i have one, but i created it !

The 5.0 M117 pushes out 231hp pre 85 and 240 hp post. That's 86 hp less than your 500E....that's a material drop in power/torque.

Of course, this all needs to be balanced against the engineering brilliance of the w126 and the sheer comfort and luxury they provide. Road presence is second to none. Very simple engines and electronics, simple CIS-KE injection and diagnosis is easy on most common problems.

If you weren't a 500E owner, it'd be a no brainer. But with the ownership of MB's finest ever car, anything else will always be a very distant second, even if it is the mighty w126.

I think the SE's and SEL's are the prettiest cars ever as well, some pics of mine below....their presence and beauty is enough reason to buy one !




talbir


PS 560's have 300bhp...much less of a difference to the E, although tranny's are lazy !
 
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I've also got a W126 which I use a fair amount of the time. It's a 1992 500SEL in blue/black metallic. Over the past six months I've put around 5k miles on it at an average of 18.5mpg. Too much town driving sees the figure drop to around 16mpg & a long motorway run can see me knocking on the door of 20mpg, but if like me, you have a fairly heavy right foot, you'll never get anything better than this - certainly not the 31.5 mpg at a steady 56mph the original sales blurb that came with the car says !!!

I've had no problems with it & so far have just had to service it, change the stereo & fit new tyres (which at 205/65 15" are cheap compared to the large low profile items you often see fitted today)

Ridewise, it's up there with the best, although I still think my old 1986 Series III 4.2 Sovereign tops it.

With respect to the chrome, I'm still in pretty good condition although to be honest one front quarter could probably do with changing. Also the wings are largely free of the dreaded rust - I'd say that a set of mudflaps adds greatly to the longevity of a W126's wings.
I'll post up a picture to show the later design of leather seat if you like - in essence the panels are stitched widthways rather than vertically with just a few broad panels.

Incidentally, for the UK market a catalytic convertor remained an option throughout the latter years of the W126's lifecycle. My car doesn't have one and as such has 195Kw (261bhp) as opposed to the cat versions with 185Kw (248bhp).
 
Talbir, all true but W126's, especially coupes, just have something that the W124, even the 500, just doesnt...


True, they have a refinement or better word luxurious/regal feel that 500E's don't...but the 500E is a few notches above the w126 in every area. I think the S-class w126 has exactly that, the S-class feeling...the w124 500E was never intended to deliver the regal aspect....but it managed to deliver so much more than it was intended too.

I used to think nothing could touch the w126's (and i have driven/owned them since i was 17) until i got familiar with the 500E's. Didn't take long to see how much more the 500e has in every department. Except that S-class feeling.


talbir
 
This was my logic in hopefully getting the car. I don't like small engines and if i'm not going to drive the car with any kind of vigour then a big wafty tank would do great.

I'm waiting for the guy to get back to me with some more details and i'll go from there.

Relatively hassle free comfortable motoring with the ability to smoke the tyres a bit will be good fun :D

If I need a bit more of a Mr Toad drive i'll swap the SEL for the E for a few days and go playing.

Dave!
 
The 126 also surrounds you with more metal than a 124 , and probably affords a bit more protection in the event of a crash - this was one of the factors in choosing one to ferry the new baby around .

It may be my imagination , because it has been many years since I had the 116 , but I feel the 126 is possibly slightly less 'tank-like' .

If you want something solid and fun , W116 6.9s do pop up from time to time , but are more costly to buy , run and maintain . They will be older and will probably need more work too .
 

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