Nanolub Solid Lubricant - A Miracle?

[Gazwould]

I used to work opposite a top U.K./European drag racer (“Grumpy” Dave Wilson, 5 time top methanol European champion. He used to swear by Prolong additives. just having a look these seem to be alkane based rather than containing solids.

i never used it, I figured the oil manufacturers would add it as standard surely if it worked that well. And why mess with a formula that surely has had some serious research put into it? Especially if you buy “premium” oils?

i did use slick 50 once on a tuned Fiat Coupe 20 valve turbo. Mainly as an attempt to keep it cool, it was running about 300bhp With no mods to the cooling system. It did seem to have a slight effect. I sold it in the end as I ruined it by putting eibach springs and bilstein shocks on it - way too firm for our rubbish roads!

Not usually the way with Eibach and Bilstein , which models did you have on there ?

The S14 also around 300 brake had BC coil overs , horrible around town where every part is dug up x3 and filled in , but out on the open road..

Used Red Line Water Wetter in the coolant with that one .

Oils and fuels only sometimes get the bare minimum of certain additives , with oil best find the basestock groups IF you can and diesel fuel is about 2-EHN to boost the Cetane number which is painfully not disclosed at the pumps , but you can add !

 

[GeeJayW]

These low volume bottles don't have to have approvals as only an additive .

Of course engine oil has to be ACEA and API , but I'm very comfortable using non approved manufacture spec ' meets or exceeds the requirements of ' because of how stringent the oil industry is . If not VLS will boot them up the **** .

Approval is a marketing decision that costs eye watering sums and must be done on volume at a slightly higher price to offset .

You will find very few OE manual gearbox oils with actual manufacturers approvals due to low volume of capacity and volume of sales .

I already use a higher anti wear oil than 229.51 & 229.52 as my knowledge allows me to choose but that was easy as the bulk involved oil basestock group information and a spiders web !

The next is to find a creditable friction modifier to shut up the clatter and the top of the tree is looking like WS2 .

Given the amount of scientific research effort that goes into developing and proving performance of engine lubricant additive packages, I'm not one that advocates the introduction of further additives that may or may not bring more problems than they 'solve'. YMMV of course.

 

[Bellow]

Archoil in all the times I've used it, has never lowered the running temp, that I've noticed at least, with this the car is running noticeably cooler, which means less friction.

Not necessarily and extremely unlikely as friction heat goes into the oil not the coolant. Ultimately with an oil cooler it will be dispersed to the coolant but that will be downstream of the gauge.
Coolant temps are more affected by combustion temperatures and are no way an accurate reflection of internal friction.

 

[Bellow]

The next is to find a creditable friction modifier to shut up the clatter and the top of the tree is looking like WS2 .

How can anything added to the lubrication system be expected to quell combustion noise?

 

[Gazwould]

Combustion noise is the high compression and ignition delay of diesel fuel and raising Cetane in the fuel is a helper here .

The valvetrain is up there too .

 

[Bellow]

Combustion noise is the high compression and ignition delay of diesel fuel and raising Cetane in the fuel is a helper here .

The valvetrain is up there too .

Oh, I see. I didn't realise that diesel valvetrains prodding open poxy little valves at lowly rpms suffered noise problems. Not in 2020 when much higher stressed valvetrains on petrol engines are silent.

 

[Gazwould]

One could say of the oil thickening effect of soot and contamination of hydraulic tappets.

But yes I'm with you most of it is the diesel high compression combustion .

 

[Petrol Pete]

Why was OP oilman banned ? His post is dated 2006 . Where is he ?

 

[Gazwould]

I'm sure Tim and Guy are alive somewhere .

 

[frankiethebear]

Thanks for clearing that up Frankie .

Trouble is it's all getting a bit expensive , I'd love the John Deere to sound more refined.

Didn't you consider Arcoil's WS2 ?

And what's your thoughts on C60 Fullerene and Boron Oxide ?

Didn't know about it gaz. Ill have a look on the powerenhancersite as that's where I oder my archoil products from. I didn't know it existed.

 

[frankiethebear]

Not necessarily and extremely unlikely as friction heat goes into the oil not the coolant. Ultimately with an oil cooler it will be dispersed to the coolant but that will be downstream of the gauge.
Coolant temps are more affected by combustion temperatures and are no way an accurate reflection of internal friction.

Didn't know about it gaz. Ill have a look on the powerenhancersite as that's where I oder my archoil products from. I didn't know it existed.

I would like to take the opportunity to clarify something that I said last night that caused a question to be raised regarding my actions during the lockdown. I've thought about this and whether or not I should clarify, but decided that I should to hopefully prevent questions being asked of other members.

I have travelled 300 miles in the last three weeks during the lockdown.
As it happens, my wife has suffered from Multiple Sclerosis for 23, almost 24 years and she was offered the chance to take part in an experimental treatment for those who have remitting/relapsing MS. This treatment is on offer at an NHS hospital about 75 miles from home. We have travelled for two treatments to date, hence 300 miles. This statement is directed at one certain person who has no knowledge of me or my family. I should never have had to state this as its no ones business what I do or don't do.
I hope there is no more of this aspersion casting on this site as I believed we were all better than that.
I consider this matter closed.

I’m withdrawing above statement.
This is not interesting at all but dangerous.
Your statements and benefits to the engine because of this “thing” you have used are based on 300 miles you have driven during lockdown when there is almost no traffic at all.
The fact that your engine temp is reaching only 80 deg can be influenced by the short time of your daily commute due to the decreased traffic volume or because your thermostat is faulty.
If you really believe in that product you should flush out all engine oil and use only that dust whatever is called. Than you can report back its performance.

I’m withdrawing above statement.
This is not interesting at all but dangerous.
Your statements and benefits to the engine because of this “thing” you have used are based on 300 miles you have driven during lockdown when there is almost no traffic at all.
The fact that your engine temp is reaching only 80 deg can be influenced by the short time of your daily commute due to the decreased traffic volume or because your thermostat is faulty.
If you really believe in that product you should flush out all engine oil and use only that dust whatever is called. Than you can report back its performance.

I would like to take the opportunity to clarify something that I said last night that caused a question to be raised regarding my actions during the lockdown. I've thought about this and whether or not I should clarify, but decided that I should to hopefully prevent similar questions being asked of other members.

I have travelled 300 miles in the last three weeks during the lockdown.
As it happens, my wife has suffered from Multiple Sclerosis for 23, almost 24 years and she was offered the chance to take part in an experimental treatment for those who have remitting/relapsing MS. This treatment is on offer at an NHS hospital about 75 miles from home. We have travelled for two treatments to date, hence 300 miles. This statement is directed at one certain person who has no knowledge of me or my family. I should never have had to state this as its no ones business what I do or don't do.
I hope there is no more of this aspersion casting on this site as I believed we were all better than that.
I consider this matter closed.

 

[frankiethebear]

Has this wonder lubricant passed the relevant approvals tests?

Cant give you a definitive answer but I would imagine if a company such as archoil is now selling it then it would have passed whatever tests that would be relevant. Otherwise they'd leave themselves open to all kinds of actions.
I've emailed archoil directly asking what proportion of moly to ws2 and also asked if theyd be kind enough to email as much data and information they are able regarding publicity testing etc.

 

[frankiethebear]

Combustion noise is the high compression and ignition delay of diesel fuel and raising Cetane in the fuel is a helper here .

The valvetrain is up there too .

I use 2ehn when filling up as a cetane booster. So the 2ehn would work in conjunction with the other additives to reduce noise, I get it. I sent an email off to archoil about the ar9200 V2 you mentioned earlier, asking for info on what allotrope they use whether its the nano onions or the plates plus any other tech specs they are able to pass over.

 

[GeeJayW]

Cant give you a definitive answer but I would imagine if a company such as archoil is now selling it then it would have passed whatever tests that would be relevant. Otherwise they'd leave themselves open to all kinds of actions.
I've emailed archoil directly asking what proportion of moly to ws2 and also asked if theyd be kind enough to email as much data and information they are able regarding publicity testing etc.

Will be interesting to see what they have to say.

 

[Gazwould]

Anyway here's how it's ment to work .

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[Petrol Pete]

I'm sure Tim and Guy are alive somewhere .

I know they are still alive , they still have hair salons everywhere...but what became of Oilman ?

 

[frankiethebear]

Will be interesting to see what they have to say.

I spoke to a bloke called Tom at hagenautomotive prior to purchase, but to be honest he knew less than he was letting on. I asked if the ws2 was an misnomer or an allo trope and it kinda threw him a bit. It's an allo trope incidentally, it was basic salesman talk. Time will tell whether it's a good thing or a bad thing, but Gazwould showed a picture of an archoil friction modifier with ws2 in it. This was what I queried with archoil themselves. Like you say, it will be interesting to get some details straight from the horses mouth, so to speak. Frankie

 

[frankiethebear]

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That was one of the videos I caught on you tube. I would have posted it, but couldn't work out how to do it. That explains how it works in principle with the sheets splitting along the sulphide bonds, with the free electron attaching to the cylinder wall/cam lobe etc. This is what I wanted to buy, but the cost of the inorganic fullerene type is prohibitive, so I went for the lamellar type. It does the same job, just not quite as good. I am left wondering how long it took to get the process with such clarity. Incidentally for what it's worth, the person using the microscope can't see a thing as the lens she is using gives a maximum of 40x magnification. The highest mag you can get with an ordinary light microscope like that is, at the very, very max is 1500x and that is with an oil immersion lens. The video would have been recorded with an electron microscope, but not sure which type other than it not being a scanning EM. 4 years at University finally pays off on the MB Club forum. Yay!

 

[Bellow]

I would like to take the opportunity to clarify something that I said last night that caused a question to be raised regarding my actions during the lockdown. I've thought about this and whether or not I should clarify, but decided that I should to hopefully prevent similar questions being asked of other members.

I have travelled 300 miles in the last three weeks during the lockdown.
As it happens, my wife has suffered from Multiple Sclerosis for 23, almost 24 years and she was offered the chance to take part in an experimental treatment for those who have remitting/relapsing MS. This treatment is on offer at an NHS hospital about 75 miles from home. We have travelled for two treatments to date, hence 300 miles. This statement is directed at one certain person who has no knowledge of me or my family. I should never have had to state this as its no ones business what I do or don't do.
I hope there is no more of this aspersion casting on this site as I believed we were all better than that.
I consider this matter closed.

As it was me who raised this issue, let me say that I was in no way questioning your right or otherwise to be out and about. My comment related specifically to the futility of presenting results based on what I suspected to be (and was correct - a mere 300 miles) a very limited mileage.

 

[frankiethebear]

hi all, Since the original discussion I've had the car serviced and a fresh MOT. There have been no issues with adding the WS2 and the car has a clean bill of health. There were a few contributors to the chat that were a bit sceptical to say the least, but all it did was sow the seed of doubt in my mind, but there was nothing for me to worry about in the end.
Although the WS2 was lost at the oil change, the car is no louder than it was prior to the service. I asked the tech to check all the main oil seals, but nothing. All were holding up.
Since adding the lube I've been back in contact with the vendor who was able to confirm that the WS2 that I bought was actually the lamellar type and not the spherical pickled onion like spheres that I initially thought I was buying. This added to the doubt I spoke of earlier, but again, the fear proved groundless, thankfully.
When I bought the car back in February one of the first things I did was buy archoil diesel service pack 2 from a UK based company, containing various cleaners, friction modifiers etc. I've used their products in all the diesels I've had over the last 8-9 years and always felt that I noticed a positive difference between before and after. These have been used in a Lexus 220d (worst car in the world), Jag XF 2.7 D and an Audi A5 3.0 tdi The friction modifier plus other products were still circulating around the engine when I added the WS2. The error here was having no control as such. I studied life sciences at University and know that any experiment or trial needs a control in order to be validated. I should have waited until an oil change before adding the new dry lube, but I didn't and that is a fault with me. I noted a difference once the WS2 was added, sadly I have no evidence of any of this. I understand that many, many people think that oil/fuel additives are the modern equivalent of snake oil. I'm fine with that, but the majority of folk who say this have never used any of the products. I can only go on what my experiences tell me and add that to what I've learned on here. I feel that WS2 was a benefit to the smooth running of my car and that is good enough for me.
Would I buy it and use it again? No, not at the current cost of £35.00 for 30g. I found it extremely dirty to work with and any spills of even the tiniest amount caused lots of elbow grease to be burned off. As its nano particles they get absolutely everywhere. I would rather wait until the spherical nano particles are available at an acceptable cost before purchasing again.

It was a worthwhile experiment that I didn't think through fully before using and in hindsight I could have caused a great deal of damage to the engine. I've since used it on nuts, bolts, plastic fittings, in fact anything that needed a lubricant and its great and does a fantastic job as a dry lube, but Ill stick to the Archoil products that I normally use as they do a good job and its said that better is the enemy of good, so I'll follow that mantra I think.

So,thank you to Gazwould for his comments and especially to MercedesDriver who really made me think again about what I was doing.

Now, Moving on to swapping for larger wheels...