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New S Class TV disaster

JumJum

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From another board, video link below (long but shows disaster 2 mins in)

http://www.stern.de/tv/sterntv/549835.html?nv=sb

"The entire story gets a lot of attention in the german net and I will summarize what I have understood so far:

DC wanted to demonstrate the advantages of their new Distronic system in a REAL (hehe) test covered by the german
TV show "Stern-TV" (not a car related show, just reporting about some tech stuff now and then).

So they arranged the following scenario in their own safety test building (normally used for crash tests):

A new Distronic equipped S class should approach some parking cars unvisible due to artificial fog with a speed of 55 km/h. In theory the Distronic due to its radar technology would identify the obstacles (cars) although not visible for the S class's driver (fog) early enough to give him an acoustic warning. The driver would then engage the break, which automatically would initiate an emergency break assisted by the BreakAssist system.

The problem: DC engineers figured out beforehand that the radar system would not work properly in the building due to reflecting metal parts of the building (that's at least the story they told after the "incident").

Therefore the entire test was FAKED (without telling the TV show's management in advance): they placed a wooden plank on the floor as an indicator for the driver when to engage the break - really high tech

In order to increase the credibility of the test, a "neutral" driver was chosen (not a DC employee). And yes guess where they found an "indpendent" driver being ready to get corrupted: it was the head reporter of the german car magazine "Autobild" (certainly in exchange of a nice exclusive story like "I have been the first to test the Distronic under REAL conditions and it's a blast..")

Now let the fun begin: in the first try the driver was either too silly to engage the break pedal early enough (perhaps he could not spot the wooden plank) or they have been messing up in calculating the appropriate distance plank/obstacle or the breaks did not work well (driver was claiming the latter after the test) - so he just crashed into the other car (the TV team taking record of the scene of course ).

After the crash the driver was discussing with some DC engineers what went wrong and how to avoid a crash in a second test. Unfortunately the driver and the engineers forgot that the microphones of the TV team still had been turned on.......A member of the TV team asked whether he could participate in a second test as a passenger (courageous guy )....the DC engineer agreed only to withdraw his approval a minute later after the driver reminded him that the witness from the TV team would realize that there would be no acoustic warning and that he would engage the break pedal just at the position of the wooden plank.....STILL ON AIR....LOL....

A second and third test was conducted by the Autobild reporter (this time not crashing the car) and afterwords the TV crew confronted the driver and the DC engineers with their findings: holy cow ! their faces changed colors quicker than any F1 gearbox could change gears

This embarassment is unparalelled !

To top the crazyness the Autobild-reporter indeed used the story in the latest Autobild-issue to praise the value of the Distronic system ! - the guy has been fired by Autobild today....

The entire story is so unbelievable...if it would have been a Monty Python movie sketch I would have cramped myself on the floor laughing, but as it is just another example of how to destroy the rest of the credibility of car makers' marketing departments and car magazine's "independence" there is some bitter taste to this story.

It will be very interesting to see how DC and Autobild will try to recover credibility (maybe DC offers a wooden plank option for their S class in the future ) "

:crazy: :crazy: :eek: :crazy: :crazy:

But it is a bit of a laugh :D
 
Shocking but funny :D Would have loved to see there faces.



BUSTED :D
 
I watched this on tv in Düsseldorf last week. Jumjum's summary is pretty much correct, from what I could gather.

In fact, the distronic did work, to a degree. One S-class smacked into the parked cars because the driver didn't react quickly enough to driving over the plank. As would be expected from an S-class, damamge was consistent with a 2ton car hitting four stationary 2ton cars at 40kmh. Crumple zones did their job.

The same test was done correctly (and honestly) with another s-class, and there was still an impact, but it really was minor. Broken lenses, and the odd cracked bumper and so on, but really quite insignificant.

I think the system did therefore prove successful, if not as astounding as MB wanted.

My problem with this is that drivers will begin to believe that when it's foggy, chucking with rain or dark, they need to pay absolutely no attention to what's going on outside, as the car will take care of it for them.

As a frinstance: how many forum members with PDC, and who now swear by it couldn't park properly before they got it?
 
I have only experienced DisasterTronic as a passenger. Cannot say I was that comfortable with the concept of hurtling down an Autobahn, life at the mercy of the latest software revision.

For those who have the existing system, is it useable in the real world or just something of a novelty?
 
Hi,

Didn't Fifth Gear try this recently on a new S-class road test? I rember they just pulled in behind some traffic :eek: and the car slowed :D . No footage of their feet though! ;) .

Also in the same road test I believe the night vision system was useless :eek:

Cheers,
 
Like im going to believe someone who doesnt know what a brake is.
 
Distronic is excellent, to a certain degree!

On a motorway in light traffic it will work, just set the cruise, select your distance and off you go, as soon as somebody pulls in front of you, the speedo shows their speed and starts to slow you down (max 25% braking force). Bringing you back to your pre selected distance. (that distance increases with speed) Once the road is clear again then the car will accelerate back to your original speed. If a car pulls in front of you too closely then the red distronic warning triangle comes on and the car chimes to warn you to take control of your vehicle.

Distronic will work if used in the right places, unfortunatley on our cramot and congested roads its not too often it will work well.
 
850t5 said:
Distronic is excellent, to a certain degree!

On a motorway in light traffic it will work, just set the cruise, select your distance and off you go, as soon as somebody pulls in front of you, the speedo shows their speed and starts to slow you down (max 25% braking force). Bringing you back to your pre selected distance. (that distance increases with speed) Once the road is clear again then the car will accelerate back to your original speed. If a car pulls in front of you too closely then the red distronic warning triangle comes on and the car chimes to warn you to take control of your vehicle.

Distronic will work if used in the right places, unfortunatley on our cramot and congested roads its not too often it will work well.

The BMW varient of this (Active Cruise Control) works in the same way and seems pretty good. Only problem i have ever seen is if u go to change lanes when u are already on a bendy bit of road (ie a motorway) it gets confused for a moment if there is a car in another lane and goes to brake when it doesnt really need to. 99% of the time it works perfectly how it (and i think it should) work
 
Dieter said:
Hi,

Didn't Fifth Gear try this recently on a new S-class road test? I rember they just pulled in behind some traffic :eek: and the car slowed :D . No footage of their feet though! ;) .

Also in the same road test I believe the night vision system was useless :eek:

Cheers,

no james had to brake himself (he said that on film) as he didnt have enough confidence int he system.

yeah he said the night vision system was bad too... although then tom sad that he had seen it work better than that. dont understand, why didnt Tom review it who actually seemed to enjoy large cars. i remember he reviewed the 7 series when it 1st came out and it wasnt a bad review (from memory) anyway.
 
JumJum said:
From another board, video link below (long but shows disaster 2 mins in)

http://www.stern.de/tv/sterntv/549835.html?nv=sb

"The entire story gets a lot of attention in the german net and I will summarize what I have understood so far:

DC wanted to demonstrate the advantages of their new Distronic system in a REAL (hehe) test covered by the german
TV show "Stern-TV" (not a car related show, just reporting about some tech stuff now and then).

So they arranged the following scenario in their own safety test building (normally used for crash tests):

A new Distronic equipped S class should approach some parking cars unvisible due to artificial fog with a speed of 55 km/h. In theory the Distronic due to its radar technology would identify the obstacles (cars) although not visible for the S class's driver (fog) early enough to give him an acoustic warning. The driver would then engage the break, which automatically would initiate an emergency break assisted by the BreakAssist system.

The problem: DC engineers figured out beforehand that the radar system would not work properly in the building due to reflecting metal parts of the building (that's at least the story they told after the "incident").

Therefore the entire test was FAKED (without telling the TV show's management in advance): they placed a wooden plank on the floor as an indicator for the driver when to engage the break - really high tech

In order to increase the credibility of the test, a "neutral" driver was chosen (not a DC employee). And yes guess where they found an "indpendent" driver being ready to get corrupted: it was the head reporter of the german car magazine "Autobild" (certainly in exchange of a nice exclusive story like "I have been the first to test the Distronic under REAL conditions and it's a blast..")

Now let the fun begin: in the first try the driver was either too silly to engage the break pedal early enough (perhaps he could not spot the wooden plank) or they have been messing up in calculating the appropriate distance plank/obstacle or the breaks did not work well (driver was claiming the latter after the test) - so he just crashed into the other car (the TV team taking record of the scene of course ).

After the crash the driver was discussing with some DC engineers what went wrong and how to avoid a crash in a second test. Unfortunately the driver and the engineers forgot that the microphones of the TV team still had been turned on.......A member of the TV team asked whether he could participate in a second test as a passenger (courageous guy )....the DC engineer agreed only to withdraw his approval a minute later after the driver reminded him that the witness from the TV team would realize that there would be no acoustic warning and that he would engage the break pedal just at the position of the wooden plank.....STILL ON AIR....LOL....

A second and third test was conducted by the Autobild reporter (this time not crashing the car) and afterwords the TV crew confronted the driver and the DC engineers with their findings: holy cow ! their faces changed colors quicker than any F1 gearbox could change gears

This embarassment is unparalelled !

To top the crazyness the Autobild-reporter indeed used the story in the latest Autobild-issue to praise the value of the Distronic system ! - the guy has been fired by Autobild today....

The entire story is so unbelievable...if it would have been a Monty Python movie sketch I would have cramped myself on the floor laughing, but as it is just another example of how to destroy the rest of the credibility of car makers' marketing departments and car magazine's "independence" there is some bitter taste to this story.

It will be very interesting to see how DC and Autobild will try to recover credibility (maybe DC offers a wooden plank option for their S class in the future ) "

:crazy: :crazy: :eek: :crazy: :crazy:

But it is a bit of a laugh :D

It's mad how they kill so many new Mercedes for some TV demo, a C-Class and all those S-Class...

Waste of cars...
 
Satch said:
I have only experienced DisasterTronic as a passenger. Cannot say I was that comfortable with the concept of hurtling down an Autobahn, life at the mercy of the latest software revision.

For those who have the existing system, is it useable in the real world or just something of a novelty?

As a software design engineer I fully agree: DC will have a team standing by to deal with all the Distronic issues after launch. But the team will consist of lawyers, who will be paid to deflect (no pun intended) and third party claims from Mercedes' customers (or victims of any incidents) who had accidents using this new technology.
 
Didn't they go through this when they first introduced emergency brake assist? There was a Watchdog report on cars carrying out emergency stops when there was no need for it.

Personally the only electronic aid I'd like is a decent traction control system for when the road surface is treacherous. Everything else should be controlled by the driver, take away that risk and you're asking for trouble.
 

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