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On the W140 trail

An emphatically large car -- think about ease of parking, etc. -- with great appeal, controversial looks and considerable potential for shredding wallets with maintenance bills. The 320 is a good option for moderating the bills (but watch out for head-gasket and wiring-harness problems), but there's plenty of scope apart from the engine, given the sophisticated specification of the car. The size would put me off, but there's no doubt that you will feel good once you get inside and enjoy the ambience and ride quality.

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/index.htm?md=245

http://www.s-klasse-club.de/ (W140 section in German only)

http://www.answers.com/Mercedes-Benz+W140
 
Great cars, I still think fondly of my own W140 S500. :)

This one is the pre facelift one though, I would get at least one on a P plate, they will have the much more modern climate control. ESP was available as an option too on the facelifted model and I'd try and find one with it. It is a significant safety feature.

From the late 97 models they will come with BAS too.

The size is not an issue, it drives very easily and parking, well, it does not really make much difference compared to, say, an e-class estate, so why worry about that.

No surprise that I would advocate the LWB model, SWB is for the riff-raff :D :devil: ;).

As for engines, the 6 cylinders are a bit small to be honest for such a large and heavy car. Go for a V8.

In terms of things to look out for: make sure everything works properly. And don't be fooled: these are very complex cars under the hood. Don't be hoodwinked in thinking something is "easy to fix" or "cheap" to solve.

On that latter point: there is no such thing as a cheap s-class. Keeping it in good condition will cost money and any repairs will be expensive. But what a great drive they are. :)
 
Great choice - as mentioned, go for face lift model (easy to tell by digital climate control instead of older wheel/button version)

Also, I had a SWB, and from the moment I got it home, wished I had gone for the LWB - it's a big car anyway and the extra length doesn't make a huge difference to parking etc, but is much bigger in the back and the car looks better proportioned in LWB form.

I found S320 more than adequate to power it, but am sure the S500 is far superior.

Lastly, the standard 16" alloys are a b****r to clean and keep clean - if you find one with the CL 18" alloys, then they look fantastic.

Parktronic should be considered a must on a car this size.

Good luck
 
i love the w140 , almost bought two of them in my time :) Had my thinking cap on at the time and i realised the potential for it costing lots when it comes to repairs.

Nothing comes close to sheer size and presence , youre not gonna mistake it for anything else and a beautiful big beast in my own eyes.

From what ive heard over the years , due to the over engineering of these cars almost any job can turn into a big expensive one.

But as long as you go into it knowing all this , id expect it to be fabulous.

I agree about getting a facelift one with parktronic rather than the small chrome aerials that pop up next to the boot on the earlier ones :)
 
Lastly, the standard 16" alloys are a b****r to clean and keep clean - if you find one with the CL 18" alloys, then they look fantastic

:confused: The standard 16" 6 or 8 hole alloys are not particularly difficult to keep clean. The 18" wheels look rather barry and out of proportion IMHO.
 
I thought long and hard about getting one ; I really like the looks and the style of the W140 : just like a bigger version of the W124 .

However , they seem to have quite a reputation for unreliability , due to being over complicated and gadget-laden with all sorts of electronic goodies that are prone to failure . I've also heard a number of people say NOT to get a 600 . Down at the petrol station the other week , there was a 600 at the pump next to me , the driver nodded as he got into his car and I smiled back - but when he started his engine it sounded like there was metal grinding on metal while it struggled into life , after which it sounded like a bag of bolts !

That was why I went for a W126 in the end . Cost wise there's not much in it , a couple of grand will buy you a decent example of either model .

I initially wondered about fuel economy on the V8's , but so many people told me not to worry . In the end I found a 500SEL in good condition , with a good spec for a reasonable price . I've had it a few months now and have put about seven thousand miles on it so far . I typically get 20 mpg in day to day driving and can see 25 on a run , sticking more or less to motorway speed limits . Everything works ( apart , I think , from the A/C ) and so far I haven't done anything other than fuel it and drive it - hasn't missed a beat . My two 3 litre W124s and my 2.6 litre W201 were not all that much better on fuel , and a friend who had a W126 300SE reported much the same . Besides that , the V8 being higher geared does a lot fewer revs over its lifetime , as well as being less stressed , and I think potentially will last longer . My car with over 150K on the clock still shows max oil pressure at all times , even when fully warmed up and stopped in drive at 500 or 600 rpm .

The build quality of the W126 is superb , the doors and bootlid shut with a solid 'thunk' , much more solid feeling than a W124 or W201 , more like a R107 or a W123 .

Since I just got a bit of overtime through ,and having established there are no serious problems with the car , I'm about to have my first bout of spending on it . Just bought filters , oil etc for a service , 4 new discs and pads all round , have ordered a towbar and will get a set of ride levellers shortly when they are available , may also fit uprated rear springs to compensate both for towing and the weight of equipment I carry in the boot . With a W126 , you are easily within the realms of DIY maintenance ; go for a W140 and it is really too complicated for most home mechanics , so beware of high workshop bills .

Parts for a W126 are no more expensive than those for a W201 or a W123 ( all the brake parts came to less than £140 for genuine ATE parts from ECP ) - in fact they use a lot of W123 parts - so you can run one on a shoestring if you are handy !

I likewise went for an SEL because I wanted SPACE with a new baby in the family , and I'm glad I went for it . I was also glad the other week when , attending the rail crash in Stewarton , I had to use the back of the car as an office , editing video and photographs on my laptop , with my mains inverter plugged into one of the two rear cigarette lighter sockets and my camcorder plugged into the other one , so that we could supply pictures and video to the media .

Come to parking , the only problem sometimes is finding spaces long enough . The car is no harder to park than any other, but sometimes in car parks you have to either overhang into a space behind or stick your nose out into the roadway .

Good luck , whatever you go for in the end .
 
As much as I loved my W126, it's a big step up to the W140 and in terms of modern driving the W126 is just too old to compete with a modern Mercedes. The W140 can still just about pull its weight (no pun intended) in that respect because, after all, every new s-class is a big step forward in innovation, safety and comfort.

They are not unreliable, absolutely not. Yes, they are much more complex and the problem is that so many end up being bought for a few quid, then the new owner discovers the rather large costs of running them, neglects them and then they become money pits.

If you're after the presence, driving experience and comfort and safety of a W140, a W126 is not going to be a substitute to be honest.

Derek is quite right about the DIY aspects - a W140 is really too complex for all but the most able amateur.

The S600 V12 is a wonderful engine, extremely smooth and very powerful. But they take complexity to a new level even compared to the V8, make the car just too nose heavy and - most importantly - they severely restrict your servicing options as there are not that many independents around who have the knowledge of the V12 compared to the V8s.

For a W140, go for a later, facelifted LWB version S500 and you will not be disappointed when it comes to enjoying the drive.
 
as an owner of an early (94) the v8 would be my advice all day long.the wiring loom and head gaskets of the 6 cylinder models as stated above are an issue.
the advise above to reiterate press every button and turn every switch make sure everything works. these cars are prone to rust so do beware,wheel arches, boot lid, door bottoms etc. if you can get it up in the air and look at the springs these are a common failure too.
if it has soft close option check every door and the bootlid another costly issue with these cars.
personally i prefer the pre facelift models with the rather classy chrome parking pins.i dont want my car bleeping at me everytime i reverse.


supercharger
 
as an owner of an early (94) the v8 would be my advice all day long.the wiring loom and head gaskets of the 6 cylinder models as stated above are an issue.
the advise above to reiterate press every button and turn every switch make sure everything works. these cars are prone to rust so do beware,wheel arches, boot lid, door bottoms etc. if you can get it up in the air and look at the springs these are a common failure too.
if it has soft close option check every door and the bootlid another costly issue with these cars.
personally i prefer the pre facelift models with the rather classy chrome parking pins.i dont want my car bleeping at me everytime i reverse.


supercharger


well said Leigh ! You ok mate?
 
Go for the V12 mate...you will not be disappointed.:D It's a big complicated car whichever engine option that you buy. I would opt for a 98 or 99 year as any problems (wiring harness especially) sorted by then. Choose wisely and you will really enjoy a W140.....they make every other Mercedes feel like a toy!:devil:
 
Well gang thanks for all the comments and advice, went to look at the one in my OP and it was good wanted a little bit of paint and few interior trims replacing to make it mint, but did not buy it as Mrs F hated the drive too wallowy and too big said there was no involvement at all which I supposed is to be expected from a limo.

So you may be able to help further, I wanted her to get an SLK but she has elderly parents and wants a four door four seater to make things easier even though she could use my CLK for this (she currently drives a Ford Racing Puma) so she has made up her mind she wants an MB but what do we go for ? Age not important but would like to spend about £3k as I have another car purchase to fund this year when my daughter turns 17.

As usual all help advice welcomed
 
A really good 190 2.6? or a w124 2.8 or 3.2 (as long as the loom's been done!) ?

Are you sure it was a "good" w140? I havent been in one where the ride is wallowy and soft, indeed they are generally noted for "shrinking" around the driver (although the swb will always feel a bit more supple than an lwb (my w140 swb feels "tighter" that my airmatic lwb w220 with half the mileage....).

Be aware that most things will feel soft, even an SLK if shes been used to a Racing Puma..... you mybe need a mid-range test car to set a benchmark.
 
A really good 190 2.6? or a w124 2.8 or 3.2 (as long as the loom's been done!) ?

Are you sure it was a "good" w140? I havent been in one where the ride is wallowy and soft, indeed they are generally noted for "shrinking" around the driver (although the swb will always feel a bit more supple than an lwb (my w140 swb feels "tighter" that my airmatic lwb w220 with half the mileage....).

Be aware that most things will feel soft, even an SLK if shes been used to a Racing Puma..... you mybe need a mid-range test car to set a benchmark.


Thanks, I think you are right though it is perception and coming out of the Puma exaggerated the comfort of the W140, I drove it myself and to be fair it dove like most other W140's I have driven a bit barge like due to its size but comfotable and an easy cruiser but no B road blaster.

The search contineues .....
 
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