pammy
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robert.saunders
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DfT are issuing a statement later today, will read it with interest
I've already had to do a local radio interview for this today; a BBC local radio interview later, plus local paper....
Nothing like motoring issues to stir things up; the press love it
I've already had to do a local radio interview for this today; a BBC local radio interview later, plus local paper....
Nothing like motoring issues to stir things up; the press love it
glojo
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robert.saunders said:
No one, but no one likes getting a ticket, but in your experience how many tickets have your staff issued that were completely 100% out of order. Not spelling mistakes, or the wrong act, but a malicious warden picking on a completely 100% innocent motorist. Then how many tickets have been revoked compared to the completely innocent ones that were wrongly issued?
I just listened to one ex traffic warden stating how he would do a days work and NOT issue a single ticket, whilst his more 'enthusiastic' colleagues would issue 30 - 40 tickets? He has left this occupation and received £20,000 compensation.
John
robert.saunders
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In Peterborough we issue around 500PCN a week, and we write-off around 30% of those issued under initial appeal, which is higher than the national average.
Peterborough is a "good egg" ! (Apart from GNER raising its prices at its car park at the rail station, but we won't go there..)
Peterborough is a "good egg" ! (Apart from GNER raising its prices at its car park at the rail station, but we won't go there..)
glojo
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robert.saunders said:
Hi Robert,
Thanks for the quick reply, the chap on the radio was saying his area had a 19% write-off figure, but I suppose it might be cheaper to write-off a ticket rather than go to court. Of your 30%, what sort of percentage to you estimate
as being the fault of the issuing officer, and what would be the easiest way of reducing this figure.I suppose the ideal warden would be one that never issued a ticket!!! That way no one would complain about them?? and they would never have a refused\returned ticket
John
robert.saunders
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Hehe, I was being clever on my wording...
We write-off circa 30%; these are PCN due to the authority, but our write-off and cancellation policy has deemed them appropriate to write-off and therefore under initial appeal, we can do so.
PCN cancels are a different matter, and a cancelled PCN is one which shows an error, either Parking Attendant related or back-office related. Our cancellation rate is quite low, which I wont publish here, but overall our write-off and cancellations are under 40% - write-offs can also include those where enforcement (and when I say enforcement, I mean in the greater collective sense, ie bailiff enforcement of charges) is not an option, eg through foreign registered vehicles, non-trace, persistent "offenders" (generally those not traceable through DVLA) and so on....
These are on initial appeal don't forget - we can also "pull" a PCN after we receive notice of representation (the process of formally going to National Parking Adjudication Service (NPAS)) if we think we are unlikely to "win". This could be for various reasons, whereby we haven't quite followed procedure 100% strictly, and it is these that are by far those I am more interested in. If we are going to pull a PCN from NPAS - big question for me is WHY? It highlights a problem which I need to know about and resolve.
Now, in Peterborough, this is because we operate fairly but firmly, but I know many authorities (perhaps more so from those who have contractors to operate their enforcement) are quite happy to go to NPAS and have the appeal upheld, when it shouldn't have reached that point in the first place.
Hope makes sense !
We write-off circa 30%; these are PCN due to the authority, but our write-off and cancellation policy has deemed them appropriate to write-off and therefore under initial appeal, we can do so.
PCN cancels are a different matter, and a cancelled PCN is one which shows an error, either Parking Attendant related or back-office related. Our cancellation rate is quite low, which I wont publish here, but overall our write-off and cancellations are under 40% - write-offs can also include those where enforcement (and when I say enforcement, I mean in the greater collective sense, ie bailiff enforcement of charges) is not an option, eg through foreign registered vehicles, non-trace, persistent "offenders" (generally those not traceable through DVLA) and so on....
These are on initial appeal don't forget - we can also "pull" a PCN after we receive notice of representation (the process of formally going to National Parking Adjudication Service (NPAS)) if we think we are unlikely to "win". This could be for various reasons, whereby we haven't quite followed procedure 100% strictly, and it is these that are by far those I am more interested in. If we are going to pull a PCN from NPAS - big question for me is WHY? It highlights a problem which I need to know about and resolve.
Now, in Peterborough, this is because we operate fairly but firmly, but I know many authorities (perhaps more so from those who have contractors to operate their enforcement) are quite happy to go to NPAS and have the appeal upheld, when it shouldn't have reached that point in the first place.
Hope makes sense !
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I had five tickets in a row revoked in less than two years between 2002 and 2004 - all were issued while unloading/loading. Only one went as far as appeal and I wiped the floor with Hackney council so completely that the appeals solicitor followed my request to advise LBH that their bye-laws were badly drafted and didn't make sense!
The whole system is crooked right from the idiots that issue tickets even when they shouldn't (either deliberately or through bad training) through to the local authorities responsible for the schemes.
The whole system is crooked right from the idiots that issue tickets even when they shouldn't (either deliberately or through bad training) through to the local authorities responsible for the schemes.
robert.saunders
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Not on my watch!
wongl
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robert.saunders said:
Hmm, I wish you worked in London. I recently saw a lady being ticketed while she was struggling with the Pay and Display machine which didn't like her coins. By the time she got back to her car which was parked 10 meters away, the parking attendant had slap the ticket onto her car!
GSMGuy
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Lol - get this - I was recently at the school to pick up the kids, parked where I normally do, approx 100 yards from the entrance/zigzags etc, just on the kerb to not block the road - as many others do... The road was called Aintree Lane - Anyway, as I was parking, I noted a Police car pulling up, and out got 3 wardens, and the proceeded to ticket all the cars... So I moved my car about 75 yards into a side road, called Malvern Grove, and parked lawfully, whilst displaying my Blue badge, as I was picking up a neighbours disabled child....
Guess what... When I got back to my car, I had a ticket - get this..... for "Obstruction" on "Aintree Lane"!!!!! Total LIES!!!! I photographed the car with my phone, and sent in an official complaint with the ticket - needless to say, the PCN was cancelled..
Sorry but the person who issued the ticket was nothing but a LIAR!
Mike
Guess what... When I got back to my car, I had a ticket - get this..... for "Obstruction" on "Aintree Lane"!!!!! Total LIES!!!! I photographed the car with my phone, and sent in an official complaint with the ticket - needless to say, the PCN was cancelled..
Sorry but the person who issued the ticket was nothing but a LIAR!
Mike
robert.saunders
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Parking on the kerb.....
Obstruction !
Obstruction !
GSMGuy
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robert.saunders said:
If you read the post - I moved my car and was parked lawfully in a side road!
and
Note how the ticket says Aintree Lane when in fact the car was in Malvern Grove!! As I said - LIARS
Mike
robert.saunders
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You said the ticket was for where you were first parked, you also stated it was a Police car which turned up, which would mean traffic wardens. Then you state a PCN; it can't be a PCN if it's a Police ticket.
If it's a Police FPN (which it is) it can be placed on your car either at location or where you moved it to, or you receive it (NiP) through the post! Doesn't matter that you moved the car I'm afraid.
So no, not liars! Why they wrote it off however I have no idea, unless their policy is to do so for kerb parking, perhaps on a first offence basis.
If it's a Police FPN (which it is) it can be placed on your car either at location or where you moved it to, or you receive it (NiP) through the post! Doesn't matter that you moved the car I'm afraid.
So no, not liars! Why they wrote it off however I have no idea, unless their policy is to do so for kerb parking, perhaps on a first offence basis.
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Looking at the picture, it is a FPN issued by Merseyside Police.
Small point, but when you put the time on a blue disk, isn't it s'posed to be the time that you left the vehicle....?!
(Ticket issued at 15:30 disk shows 16:30?)
Doh
Small point, but when you put the time on a blue disk, isn't it s'posed to be the time that you left the vehicle....?!
(Ticket issued at 15:30 disk shows 16:30?)
Doh
If it was up to me , EVERYONE who clogs up the roads in the mornings and afternoons driving kids to and from schools would get a ticket just for doing it .
I always had to walk to school as did all my friends and it never did us any harm . Nor did it do my daughter (now 19) any harm .
If parents are so concerned that their kids do not know how to cross the road safely they can walk with them .
The roads around schools are only so congested and so polluted because of the number of people unneccessarily driving kids to school .
You'll notice the difference on the roads next week now they have broken up for summer holidays .
I always had to walk to school as did all my friends and it never did us any harm . Nor did it do my daughter (now 19) any harm .
If parents are so concerned that their kids do not know how to cross the road safely they can walk with them .
The roads around schools are only so congested and so polluted because of the number of people unneccessarily driving kids to school .
You'll notice the difference on the roads next week now they have broken up for summer holidays .
OP
OP
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I am more interested in, when like a large number of the members of this forum, they are going to change the laws on speeding, and make it up to the individual to decide what the speed limit should be for any stretch of roadas they drive down it. Thus making it possible to drive how fast or how slowly one likes without having the police interfere. I know this would be extremely popular here.
glojo
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I hear the new name will be Parking Councillors!!!
Here's the ticket sir, now if you are suffering from any form of stress as a direct result of my issuing you a ticket then here is the free telephone number of a solicitor that will work on a no win, no fee arrangement.
Here is the free telephonenumber of a councillor that will give you free consultations for the post traumatic shock that you might suffer as a result of this traumatic occassion.
Here is the number of the complaints department that you can contact so that you may complain about my issuing you a ticket, and because it is not a free phone number, here is a free mobile telephone!
No one likes being given a ticket, but by crikey, do away with parking enforcement and there will be grid lock.
John
Here's the ticket sir, now if you are suffering from any form of stress as a direct result of my issuing you a ticket then here is the free telephone number of a solicitor that will work on a no win, no fee arrangement.
Here is the free telephonenumber of a councillor that will give you free consultations for the post traumatic shock that you might suffer as a result of this traumatic occassion.
Here is the number of the complaints department that you can contact so that you may complain about my issuing you a ticket, and because it is not a free phone number, here is a free mobile telephone!
No one likes being given a ticket, but by crikey, do away with parking enforcement and there will be grid lock.
John
