Parisian Classics ?

[Bryan Allman]

It would seem a few French classics might appear if this legislation goes through ....

'Old bangers' and classic cars to be banned from Paris - Telegraph

Interesting comment in the penultimate paragraph ............

 

[Dieselman]

It's not really about pollution as the old cars number so few, it's really a new version of scrappage scheme to help the motor industry.

 

[Stratman]

I'll have a nice DS21 please

 

[gIzzE]

The paragraph that stands out in that article is....

Critics said it failed to tackle the real problem in France: its heavy reliance on diesel, used by 60 per cent of all vehicles and emitting three times as many harmful fine particles as petrol. The town hall sidestepped the issue by calling on the government to cut tax incentives to use diesel.

Which is sure to start up a very open minded and mature debate on here!!

 

[sweeney todd]

Penalising diesel drivers, as we do here, is plainly the shining path laid out before the Frenchies should they only grasp the opportunity.

 

[markjay]

In what way are we penalising diesel car drivers?

My understanding was that in the UK both VED and BIK take CO2 into account, and therefore diesels tend to benefit from lower taxation due to lower CO2 emissions?

 

[markjay]

If comparing Paris to London, then looking at the Congestion Charge exemption list (which is based on CO2 emissions), the vast majority of exempt cars are indeed diesels:

http://www.carbuzz.co.uk/blog/Congestion-Charge-Exempt-Cars-List-2012

So it would seem that London is actually encouraging diesel engines?

 

[sweeney todd]

In what way are we penalising diesel car drivers?

My understanding was that in the UK both VED and BIK take CO2 into account, and therefore diesels tend to benefit from lower taxation due to lower CO2 emissions?

I'm assuming you don't have to pay for the sticky stuff yourself otherwise you might have noticed it's a tad more expensive than the alternatives

Are you George Osbourne?

 

[tode]

They're also planning to massively extend the 30kph ( = 19 MPH) speed limit areas.

 

[markjay]

I'm assuming you don't have to pay for the sticky stuff yourself otherwise you might have noticed it's a tad more expensive than the alternatives

Are you George Osbourne?

You got me

But seriously, I drive a petrol car, and was always under the impression that the government incentivises diesel due to lower CO2 emissions.

Also, I thought the higher price at the pumps was due to supply-and-demand market forces - i.e. it is due to higher prices by the petroleum companies - or is the fuel duty actually higher on diesel than it is on petrol?

 

[Stratman]

The duty on diesel used to be a lot lower a few decades ago when diesel engined road cars were a rarity. As their popularity grew it didn't escape the attention of the Treasury that there was a new revenue stream available. The government increased the duty on diesel "on environmental grounds" to make it higher than that on petrol.

 

[sweeney todd]

You got me

But seriously, I drive a petrol car, and was always under the impression that the government incentivises diesel due to lower CO2 emissions.

Also, I thought the higher price at the pumps was due to supply-and-demand market forces - i.e. it is due to higher prices by the petroleum companies - or is the fuel duty actually higher on diesel than it is on petrol?

Depends how you look at it for instance at the moment from a BIK viewpoint, diesel attracts a 3% surcharge.

However you are of course correct the duty for petrol and diesel is exactly the same.

Diesel has traditionally had a higher pump price here and that combined with the extra VAT makes a difference too.

As to why that is? Frankly I don't have a clue