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I passed a new-ish Golf stopped in the left hand lane of a 'smart motorway' a week or so ago - obviously couldn't make it to a refuge area. Driver was just sitting in the car ... being charitable possibly trying to re-start it. Not a good situation though.
 
I passed a new-ish Golf stopped in the left hand lane of a 'smart motorway' a week or so ago - obviously couldn't make it to a refuge area. Driver was just sitting in the car ... being charitable possibly trying to re-start it. Not a good situation though.
The only difference between that and my M3 experience is that being on a smart motorway the stationary car will be spotted and the lane marked as closed. As I said, because I was able to get out of the car and to safety, I was able to spend an hour watching the results of my car stopped in a live lane. It was humorous but there were no incidents of concern.
 
The only difference between that and my M3 experience is that being on a smart motorway the stationary car will be spotted and the lane marked as closed. As I said, because I was able to get out of the car and to safety, I was able to spend an hour watching the results of my car stopped in a live lane. It was humorous but there were no incidents of concern.

There's usually some time lag before the lane is marked as closed - as you say, it needs someone to spot it on the video feed first.

I had an almost brand new company car stop dead in the outside lane of the M1 once - that wasn't funny at all. There was no way to get across to the hard shoulder as there were trucks thundering past in the centre lane as soon as it lost power. I pulled it up against the central reservation and then couldn't open the driver's door - I had to clamber across and get out of the passenger one, into the outside lane. Luckily it happened n broad daylight and not at night or in bad weather.
 
There's usually some time lag before the lane is marked as closed - as you say, it needs someone to spot it on the video feed first.

I had an almost brand new company car stop dead in the outside lane of the M1 once - that wasn't funny at all. There was no way to get across to the hard shoulder as there were trucks thundering past in the centre lane as soon as it lost power. I pulled it up against the central reservation and then couldn't open the driver's door - I had to clamber across and get out of the passenger one, into the outside lane. Luckily it happened n broad daylight and not at night or in bad weather.
Scary! :(
 
There's usually some time lag before the lane is marked as closed - as you say, it needs someone to spot it on the video feed first..
They’re getting a lot quicker to respond. Radar-based stopped vehicle detection technology has been installed on every stretch of motorway without a hard shoulder.

Stopped vehicle detection upgrades
 
I have a replaced a few w213 fuel tanks for faulty levels sensors. They either show 100% on one side or 0%. It's not unfathomable that there could me a midrange failure where it makes the bottom end innacurate.
 
Thats what China hopes , but it's not looking great .


I think that any EV owner that you'll ask will tell you that the running costs are lower than comparable ICE cars , but the car itself is more expensive to buy and depreciation is higher as well.

EVs became commonplace mainly due to tax breaks. We have several EVs at work on a business lease, all given to employees under a salary sacrifice scheme, and they still can't believe how cheap it is for them (especially for those in the higher tax bracket).

My EV is one of those cars, and I have to admit that initially I wasn't particularly attracted to EVs (I test drive a Model X and remained unimpressed), but I did the math and under a salary sacrifice scheme it would have been bonkers not to get one.

In fact, my much loved W204 which I was originally going to keep for a very l-o-n-g time (I had the W203 before that for 9 years), got sold to a fellow forum member last simply because it was not getting much use (and, I am happy to report that it's new owner is keeping up the tradition of looking after it well!).

I have to say that in spite of all the bells and whistles in my EV, the W204 was much more enjoyable to drive - it was by far one of the best motorway cruisers I have ever driven (beaten only just by an S350 I drove in Germany - really, it's that good).

That been said... having tasted the forbidden fruit... there's no way back fit me. I have been tinkering with engines since I was 15, and with cars since I was 17 (back in the day....), and I LOVE it... I felt robbed when fuel injection replaced carburettors and electronic ignition replacement the good old dizzy and points.

I spent many many hours maintaining and repairing my cars, and it was always part of a very satisfying ownership experience.

But having had the EV for nearly two years now... I and starting to regard ICE cars like a seventies Rolex that isn't very accurate and needs lots of expensive servicing but has sentimental value.

The EV is so much more simple and more reliable than ICE. And that's after 150 years of development and evolution of the ICE car, compared with 15 years for the EV.

Of course, there's not much you can do DIY on an EV, other than perhaps software updates, because there's very little that needs doing in terms of maintenance. Not even the discs and brakes need changing....

In terms of initial buying price for those who can't get one via a salary sacrifice scheme, I can see two opposing trends.

On one side, cars have gradually become more expensive over the past 30 years, mainly due to increase in both emissions and safety regulations, but also because of the increase in customers' demand more refined cars with more features as standard.

On the other hand, technically almost always becomes cheaper (in real terms) over time. From central locking through LCD displays in cars and up to radar sensors, these were all very expensive initially and then came down in price.

The bottom line? My next ICE purchase will be the equivalent of the old Rolex, i.e. a classy car I'd cherish and definitely one with a carburettor (or two), a dizzy, and points. Perhaps of the MG or Triumph variety. But only once I fully retire.
 
The EV is so much more simple and more reliable than ICE. And that's after 150 years of development and evolution of the ICE car, compared with 15 years for the EV.

Mechanically simpler, yes. But electronically ... ? More reliable when new, perhaps. But will EVs still be usable at 20-30 years old, as is common with ICE vehicles?
 
Mechanically simpler, yes. But electronically ... ? More reliable when new, perhaps. But will EVs still be usable at 20-30 years old, as is common with ICE vehicles?

Probably not, but not due to any mechanical failure, buy simply due to lack of demand for old tech.

Just as the original Nokia phones would have still worked fine to this day... they weren't replaced because they stopped working or became unreliable.

In fact, how frequently did we change the old telephone with the dial....?

Good or bad, cars will simply fall into the same category as computers, TVs, smartphone, satnav etc - they will get replaced when their tech becomes outdated, and long before they start breaking down.

On a related note, otherwise perfectly serviceable cars are routinly being scrapped these days, mainly because of the high cost of labour (driven by higher standards of living and more equal distribution of wealth in Western countries), as well as taxation (20% VAT). When I was a lad, scrapping a car because of a failed head gasket was unheard-of. Nowadays, most older cars are just 'not worth fixing', not by a VAT registered garage anyway.

Yes, Western culture is extremely wasteful, on all fronts. I use to work in West Africa back in the nineties... and all cars, of all ages, always got repaired.... again and again. Scrapping a car wasn't even in their vocabulary.
 
Probably not, but not due to any mechanical failure, buy simply due to lack of demand for old tech.

Just as the original Nokia phones would have still worked fine to this day... they weren't replaced because they stopped working or became unreliable.

In fact, how frequently did we change the old telephone with the dial....?

Good or bad, cars will simply fall into the same category as computers, TVs, smartphone, satnav etc - they will get replaced when their tech becomes outdated, and long before they start breaking down.

Smart phones / TVs / satnavs etc. don't cost £50k plus though, so replacing them periodically for a newer/better model isn't really a big deal. And if you don't want to do that they become impractical pretty quickly because consumable things like cases/screen protectors/screens/batteries etc. are no longer available for older models. Old Nokia phones wouldn't be working fine today because the battery packs have a finite lifespan and haven't been available for decades!

I suspect the only practical solution with EVs will be to lease them and get a brand new one every 3-5 years. Pretty expensive compared to running a 10+ year old ICE vehicle.
 
Smart phones / TVs / satnavs etc. don't cost £50k plus though, so replacing them periodically for a newer/better model isn't really a big deal. And if you don't want to do that they become impractical pretty quickly because consumable things like cases/screen protectors/screens/batteries etc. are no longer available for older models. Old Nokia phones wouldn't be working fine today because the battery packs have a finite lifespan and haven't been available for decades!

I suspect the only practical solution with EVs will be to lease them and get a brand new one every 3-5 years. Pretty expensive compared to running a 10+ year old ICE vehicle.

I think that the answer will come from a different direction, and it's a reverse of the trend of ever increasing ownership of private cars, especially for city dwellers.

I am aware that car sharing clubs and other urban schemes are still not the mainstream, and public transport has a long way to go, and cycling (or electric scooters) isn't suitable for everyone, but ultimately a significant reduction in the overall level of private car ownership for people living in the more densely populated areas (the majority of the UK population) is the only sustainable option.

This isn't just due to cost (and the various green taxes), but also because the production and use of motor vehicles is simply not an environmentally friendly enterprise, regardless of exhaust emissions (or the lack of).

So in the long term, the cost of the car might not be an issue. Those who absolutely need them will have them (possibly leasing or renting etc), while those who can manage without one, will do without.
 
In cities I can absolutely see car ownership dropping to almost zero. I worked in London for nearly 40 years and only ever used public transport, which was fine. But in more rural areas it isn't going to happen - we're in the West Midlands (not the Outer Hebrides :D) yet our nearest bus stop is 6 miles away, nearest rail station 14 miles. Public transport over large areas that aren't densely populated isn't going to become more economically viable than it is now. EVs will never be cheap to manufacture, and the limited lifespan/low residuals will make leasing a much more expensive option than owning an older ICE vehicle is currently.
 
In cities I can absolutely see car ownership dropping to almost zero. I worked in London for nearly 40 years and only ever used public transport, which was fine. But in more rural areas it isn't going to happen - we're in the West Midlands (not the Outer Hebrides :D) yet our nearest bus stop is 6 miles away, nearest rail station 14 miles. Public transport over large areas that aren't densely populated isn't going to become more economically viable than it is now. EVs will never be cheap to manufacture, and the limited lifespan/low residuals will make leasing a much more expensive option than owning an older ICE vehicle is currently.

I did mention in another thread, that I was pleasantly surprised during a recent visit to Switzerland when the local bus services connecting several small villages to two larger cities were all completely free (and - not surprisingly - very punctual...). Apparently, the locals are very green, and since walking large distances across the mountainous terrain is difficult, everyone has a car - the free bus services are aimed that reducing private car journeys.

My point is that - similar to the villagers in the Swiss Alps - people living in rural areas in the UK will absolutely need to have at their disposal a private car (or two), but with some infrastructure improvements they might be able to not use their cars as much as they currently do.
 
I felt robbed when fuel injection replaced carburettors and electronic ignition replacement the good old dizzy and points.
Totally agree. You could always get it going if broken down. Points, plugs, carb
Many happy hour spent "tuning my car" sometimes good, sometimes not so good, but it always started. Nowadays can't remember when I last lifted the bonnet. Even the good old dipstick has gone in lots of cars, but for me EV is a step too far. In the day's when cars were a new fangled invention, I would probably keep the trusty horse & cart. :mad: :( or maybe not:thumb:
 
Totally agree. You could always get it going if broken down. Points, plugs, carb
Many happy hour spent "tuning my car" sometimes good, sometimes not so good, but it always started.

Same here. Nowadays a sensor fails and you're stuck in limp mode - without STAR you have no clue what's going on. Years ago I never had breakdown cover ... now I wouldn't be without it. Friends of mine are currently stuck in Slovenia in their new-ish van with the EML on ... some sort of DPF issue but the locals can't get it going.
 
Same here. Nowadays a sensor fails and you're stuck in limp mode - without STAR you have no clue what's going on. Years ago I never had breakdown cover ... now I wouldn't be without it. Friends of mine are currently stuck in Slovenia in their new-ish van with the EML on ... some sort of DPF issue but the locals can't get it going.

Until around 25 years ago, I have never had a brakedown problem that I could not resolve myself at the roadside (OK I used to carry a full toolkit in the boot). I'd say it was a combination of the cars being more simple, comprising mostly of mechanical components that tend to let you know in advance that they are on the way out (mechanical fuel pumps, for example), me knowing what I'm doing (most of the time, anyway), and a bit of luck.

But these days, I rely only on breakdown service and luck....
 
Even remember using the girlfriend's tights once when the fan belt snapped. Had read about it in a car mag, so thought I would try it as we were stuck in the middle of nowhere (looong before mobiles). It worked, sort off, but got us to civilisation, but they only had to go round a couple of pulleys. Now she would have to be about 9 foot tall to have them long enough to go around the myriad of pulleys & even if she was I don't think tights have teeth in them to go round the pulleys
 
I did mention in another thread, that I was pleasantly surprised during a recent visit to Switzerland when the local bus services connecting several small villages to two larger cities were all completely free (and - not surprisingly - very punctual...). Apparently, the locals are very green, and since walking large distances across the mountainous terrain is difficult, everyone has a car - the free bus services are aimed that reducing private car journeys.

My point is that - similar to the villagers in the Swiss Alps - people living in rural areas in the UK will absolutely need to have at their disposal a private car (or two), but with some infrastructure improvements they might be able to not use their cars as much as they currently do.
When I was in St Moritz 7 years ago we had to pay for a bus, although it was cheap.

As for the Swiss transport punctuality, our first of three trains back to Zurich airport was late, resulting in us getting to the airport an hour late. Check in was fine and so was security, but we arrived at the departure gate 29 minutes before the scheduled time for our flight back to Luton. Despite dozens of passengers still queuing a few feet away on the other side of the gate, easyJet’s ground crew refused to let us join the queue with our 9 month old baby. None of them was interested in helping us, and couldn’t even be bothered directing us to easyJet’s ticket desk so we could get another flight.

We eventually found out there were no more easyJet flights for three days, so we had to get a Swiss Air flight to Brussels then an Air Belgium flight to Heathrow. Getting to Heathrow at midnight meant there was no public transport to Luton, so I had to pay a fortune for a taxi to take us back to our car. We eventually arrived home over nine hours later than planned.

The £200 excess I had to pay on our sizeable travel insurance claim finalised two important considerations for future travel: 1) Don’t rely on Swiss punctuality; 2) Never fly with easyJet again.
 

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