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BenzedUP

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Hi Guys,

Bought some nice shiney Performance AMS headers,

I'm hoping headers and a custom remap after should give me about 40+bhp which takes me over 400bhp;)

Anyway I have one question; how can I keep them shiney? as I know heat will probably effect them after a few months..

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Thanks.
 
What are they made from?

Can be very hard to stop metals from tinting, you need to keep the O2 away from it, but what are they made from, do you know?

VERY nice pipes by the way! :):):):)
 
Hi thanks, will post more images when they arrive, can't wait to fit them.

They are polished stainless steel.
 
What Grade do you know.....??

Muriatic acid has been floated as a way of cleaning but you have to remove all of it afterwards, do a search on the net........

Welders use a Pickle & Passivate paste which washes off, but I think this has now been banned because of disposal concerns.
 
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Maybe with a clear ceramic coating......??
 
Maybe with a clear ceramic coating......??


Yes, also prevents heat.


I already have the stainless cleaner for my exhuasts but I won't be able to reach the headers once fitted, lol.

I want to prevent them from changing colour after a few months.
 
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Mmmmmm..... shiny loveliness :cool::cool::cool:

Crying out for some side exits :devil::ban:
 
I had Kleemann headers and downpipes fitted to my ML just few days back. They arrived shiny but already turned kind of light blue/bronze. I didn't bother with coating. I will be dyno'ing her once I get conversion to fuel regulator done sometime next week. Hoping to be in 500+ HP territory.

This is how mine looked upon arrival:

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Had s/steel headers on an old Triumph GT6 a few years ago . They discoloured after a couple of days , despite being "lagged". Never could get them back to As New , but figured this was probably because the tarnishing starts from the inside due to being" tempered" by the heat?
 
No, it is oxidised from the outside (with the air) and the colour depends on the oxidising temperature.
 
Muriatic acid is the last thing you want near stainless, even fairly weak commercial brick cleaning acids can result in a right mess- staining to pitting corrosion. Stainless steel gets its corrosion resistance from a chromium rich oxide surface layer, reducing acids lack the oxidising properties that are needed for stainless to maintain it's passive oxide layer

Pickling paste hasn't been banned, it's not something to use unless you have to though, typically a mixture of nitric and hydrofluoric acid the fumes are nasty and well, that's the nicest thing to say about it! For light staining and iron contamination citric, phosphoric and oxalic acids can be used but they will typically be very slow at removing heat tint by themselves- the process can be sped up by using them as the electrolyte in electrochemical weld cleaning and passivation

As said getting them ceramic coated is the only way to keep them from getting discoloured (well, unless you never drive it after fitting 'em). Heat tint colours start forming on stainless at a bit under 300*C, pale yellow then straw getting darker to browns at around 400* then purplish reds followed by blues at 550ish. The pretty colours are the result of a thickened oxide layer that refracts light differently

If they're non-magnetic (austenitic stainless) they're probably 304L (316L is a possability as 'hygienic bends' are a cheaper source for those without their own mandrel bending kit). OE manufacturers favour 409 (a ferritic stainless) which is strongly magnetic
 
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Muriatic acid is the last thing you want near stainless, even fairly weak commercial brick cleaning acids can result in a right mess- staining to pitting corrosion. Stainless steel gets its corrosion resistance from a chromium rich oxide surface layer, reducing acids lack the oxidising properties that are needed for stainless to maintain it's passive oxide layer.

Kill an ant with a sledge hammer you think. I thought it might do the job nicely considering how stained they usually end up. Be fine so long as you wash it off afterwards and hit it with a passivation paste if you want. But, prevention is better than cure and the ceramic coating sounds interesting, do they do it in clear though, or do you need to settle for a colour......??
 
They arrived today, finally :)

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They look so nice and shiney it would be a shame if they change colour, think i'm going to have them ceramic coated before I fit them, might aswell do it properly!

Does anybody know how much? and a good place that does these sorts of things?
 
I wouldn't bother with keeping them shiny and will be amazed if they increase the performance compared to AMG manifolds, and if anything am confident the opposite may happen.
They may look nice externally, but what about the welds internally and gas flow.


Be brave, do some proper before and after timing runs... ;)
 

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