So, I came up against one of these yesterday out in the wild. I was waiting at a set of lights on a duel carriageway (sic), and it drew up alongside. My C63 is tuned, and the tyres were warm as I’d already been enjoying myself. He gave it some beans as the lights changed because I noticed the front of his car leap into the air in my peripheral vision. He probably got ahead of me by two or three feet, but then the biturbo was into her stride. It was pretty much neck and neck to 60, but then I had the legs on him and I just continued to pull away. About a mile to the next set of lights for a second go. I actually found him less of a challenge second time. Maybe they heat soak a bit? I’ve no idea. Anyway, Her Ladyship held her head high. The M177 is an absolute masterpiece.
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Big difference is he has 4WD! From a rolling start I think you would have been far ahead. Also you were having fun while he was watching an electric current flow. What tune do you have?
GAD tune. Circa 590bhp
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I doubt the tesla guy was trying that hard/shite driver -
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I don't do much traffic lights racing these days (not anymore......), but I would hazard a guess that - both drivers being competent etc - no AMG will be quicker over the first few yards simply because the Tesla (any Tesla, not just the dual-motor performance model) will have 100% of the torque available from the get go. The AMG will eventually catch-up, but how soon this happens will depend on the specifics on both cars. That's my educated guess, anyway....
I expected it to murder me at the get go and me to be playing catch up. It didn’t go like that at all. Maybe I anticipated the lights better, maybe I was lucky. If you look at YouTube they are devastating off the line usually
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Yes he would be getting circa 700 lb ft of torque to the ground via four wheels at 0.01 mph. Interesting that you outran him so quickly. From having driven fast Teslas and Taycans etc my guess is that our cars (my Brabus has around the same output as your tune) are quicker from 20 or 30 mph upwards. Over 60, all the electric cars I have driven feel slower than any petrol supercar, though that will change soon as tech improves.
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Or the tesla driver was not trying very hard...
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Electric motors deliver their maximum torque from standstill, but it drops off steadily as the revs rise. The slowest Model 3 hits 60 in just over five seconds, yet top speed is 140 mph; anything roadgoing with an ICE that quick to 60 would hit the limiter at 155 mph. Battery technology will undoubtedly improve, but whether that inherent limitation of any electric motor will be overcome I don't know. Two gears, perhaps?
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The 0-60 figure is misleading.
For cars that aren't tracked, what matters for daily sporty driving is the 0-30 figures, because this is what will win the traffic lights race in built-up areas.
And a high-end EV will almost always have the upper hand over an ICE car in the 0-30 battle.
This is why when driving an EV and an ICE car with similar 0-60 figures, the EV will feel so much faster - in built-up up areas.
Once you hit the open roads, the picture is very different, obviously.
For cars that aren't tracked, what matters for daily sporty driving is the 0-30 figures, because this is what will win the traffic lights race in built-up areas.
And a high-end EV will almost always have the upper hand over an ICE car in the 0-30 battle.
This is why when driving an EV and an ICE car with similar 0-60 figures, the EV will feel so much faster - in built-up up areas.
Once you hit the open roads, the picture is very different, obviously.
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Do Tesla's deliver all their performance at will? Some of the YouTube vids I've watched show them having to "prepare" the battery for things like Ludicrous mode. Sometimes this takes 30 minutes or so.
Plus I think the performance can vary depending on battery charge.
The Taycan I had was absurdly fast from a standing start and I "only" had the 4S version, but once the battery level started to drop the performance was reigned in proportionatlly.
Still the Taycan was quicker off the mark than my FF, but not by a great deal, once rolling a performance ICE car will take over unless it's one of the extreme performance EV's.
Plus I think the performance can vary depending on battery charge.
The Taycan I had was absurdly fast from a standing start and I "only" had the 4S version, but once the battery level started to drop the performance was reigned in proportionatlly.
Still the Taycan was quicker off the mark than my FF, but not by a great deal, once rolling a performance ICE car will take over unless it's one of the extreme performance EV's.
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What limitation?
The Model 3 Performance top speed was updated to 162mph…. not sure about the base model but that’s not performance orientated anyway. The model S Plaid if ‘de-restricted’ has hit 216mph on a runway.
Here’s a video of the Plaid doing the 0-160mph…. I’m not sure whether I agree there’s an inherent limitation here
or whether I’d want it to be any faster… & I fail to see how any ICE could beat it at a traffic light Grand Prix…AFAIK no car has beat it yet….
DragTimes's comparison of 0-60 mph (96.5 km/h):
- Tesla Model S Plaid - 2.21 s
- Ferrari SF90 - 2.47 s
- McLaren 765LT - 2.84 s
- Lamborghini Huracán Evo - 2.69 s
- Porsche Taycan Turbo S - 2.53
- Tesla Model S Plaid - 9.25 s at 151.99 mph
- Ferrari SF90 - 9.64 s at 146.40 mph
- McLaren 765LT - 9.88 s at 146.20 mph
- Lamborghini Huracán Evo - 10.44 s at 131.65 mph
- Porsche Taycan Turbo S - 10.39 s at 129.90 mph
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The Model 3 doesn’t need any sort of ‘prep’ - but you’re right if you have less than 20% battery then the car will start limiting power to maximise range.
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The battery has a preheating function that starts warming the battery when you navigate to a super charger to ensure that you reach the charger with the battery already at the optimal temperature for charging at max speed - otherwise, the battery warming will only start when the car is plugged-in to the charger and initial charging speed will be low until the battery warms up to optimal fast charging temperature. Maybe this is what they were referring to?
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There is a special mode on the older Model S/X cars called ‘Ludicrous’ which pre-heats the battery (if it’s not already at the correct temp) for optimum power delivery during launches. As long as the battery isn’t stone cold it is usually pretty instant…
The Model 3 Performance doesn’t require this.
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You perhaps are not aware that Tesla China recalled 285,000 cars due to autopilot issues back in June 2021. "Driver error - as per usual" therefore is a rather brusque conclusion to make.Fake news….Driver error - as per usual…
The usual click-bait anti EV stuff.
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Happens all the time, apparently.....:
www.autosafety.org
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Audi Sudden Acceleration: VWoA Recalls in 1982 and 1983 - The Center for Auto Safety
Audi Sudden Acceleration: In 1982 and 1983, VWoA twice recalled 1978-83 Audi 5000 cars due to reports of sudden acceleration. Learn more about the recalls and auto safety.
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'My gas pedal is stuck' BMW driver tells 911 as he barrels down interstate at nearly 100 mph
A man faced a harrowing ride in a BMW when his accelerator stuck.
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Although, in the case of the Tesla crash in China, the YouTube clip seems to suggest that the driver panicked and hit the accelerator instead of the brake pedal, which is in fact more common that you think:
www.chesterstandard.co.uk
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Bus driver tried over death ‘stepped on accelerator instead of brake pedal’
Michael Gilbert took a safety ‘short cut’ by not putting his vehicle in neutral waiting at a bus stop, a jury heard.
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Woman pressed accelerator instead of brake before hitting children at school | ITV News
Eight pupils and parents were standing outside Beatrix Potter Primary School in Openview, Earlsfield, south-west London, when they were struck by the car. | ITV News London
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A growing accident problem: Hitting the gas instead of the brake
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration says 16,000 vehicle accidents a year are the result of drivers mistaking the accelerator for the brake.
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