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That does not give the true picture does it? BA never had a fatal accident.
List of accidents and incidents involving airliners by airline - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
List of accidents and incidents involving airliners by airline - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
oldcro
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Surely in order to attach blame for an aircraft crash on the company, the crash has to be due poor maintenance. Many plane crashes have been due to unforeseen design errors or material failures during construction.
Work hardening of materials, stress fractures and control line routing etc. have all caused aircraft accidents in the past. All were unknown potential faults at the time they were built, which were only discovered after meticulous examination of the remains after a crash. It is all part of the learning process aimed at producing even more safer planes.
Then there is pilot error which has been responsible for a number of accidents. Many of which were being flown by senior pilots with thousands of hours of accident free flights, rather than newly trained pilots.
Work hardening of materials, stress fractures and control line routing etc. have all caused aircraft accidents in the past. All were unknown potential faults at the time they were built, which were only discovered after meticulous examination of the remains after a crash. It is all part of the learning process aimed at producing even more safer planes.
Then there is pilot error which has been responsible for a number of accidents. Many of which were being flown by senior pilots with thousands of hours of accident free flights, rather than newly trained pilots.
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Very interesting information.
And what is the information criteria?
Information can be made to put out what you want it to say.
I rather be on AIR france Than BA any day or time of the week.
why do you not go back and count it by country and start from the beginning or each airline and see whether the stats would not be any different. the ones with the most miles have fatalities.
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flango
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I have some stats for near misses somewhere will try and dig them out, but actually that reminds me guess which airport has the most incidents of near misses and why?
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Paris Charles de Gaulle, the reason some Air France Pilots refuse to speak to the Tower in English and converse in French, this means the other pilots around them have no bl**dy idea what is happening in their airspace on approach or departure. They are continually warned by the CAA but does anyone care? Apparently not as they still do it.
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well why have they not been blacklisted and boycotted then? and why are other airlines still flying there? They seem to boycott all other unsafe airspaces
flango
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Table clearly states BA had a Fatal accident in 1985, There have been 2 BA Fatal Accidents one in 1976 involving a mid air collision causing the loss of a trident aircraft due to Yugoslavian ATC failure and the 1985 incident which was the famous 737 fire at manchester Airport. If my memory serves me right both planes were operated by British Airtours
2 in 33 years of aviation and not by the Major airline but a subsiduary thats pretty good odds to me.
flango
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Good question but next time you fly into Paris on an Airline other than Air France ask the cabin crew about it they'll openly tell you all about it.
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Not really my friend
BA was a merger of BCal, BEA and some others i cannot remember.Flight 476 was BA not airtours and in 1972 100+people of BEA
I am counting almost in 1976 170 people .
Just telling you stats can be made to say whatever and most airlines, air france included have a lot more fatalities that stats can tell you. Just depends on the way you set out to look for them.
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flango
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You are Quite correct I had to look them up as I would only have been 13 in 1976 so was into cars not planes, 476 was BA mid air collision over Zagreb Flight 28M was British Airtours at Manchester.
You can't count fatal flights from other companies that were independent prior to being BA as part of the BA stats.
I do agree though you can make stats say whatever you want but my personal experience of Air France means I would never fly them again, guess we'll just have to agree to differ as they say opinions vary and it would not do for us all to be the same
stumpy1
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As an ex BA aircraft engineer we saw all sorts of horrors on some of the third party airlines we served. Mainly from the emerging eastern European countries I must say. As someone rightly pointed out all a/c types have inherent issues and no airline is perfect in it's training and systems of work. But even in a perfect world you just need the right sequence of events and tragedy is a moment away.
Think of the Hudson river crash - Not the airlines fault and the Pilot did an amazing job to save everyone. Put a different pilot in there on a different day and who knows?
Think of the Hudson river crash - Not the airlines fault and the Pilot did an amazing job to save everyone. Put a different pilot in there on a different day and who knows?
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Take a look at the stats Air France 21st out of 24 had the most fatal events of any European carrier and you consider this safe?
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If I were playing the odds theres another 20 airlines I would choose before I got anywhere near Air France
Air France are cheap from SA, but unreliable. Crews yukky. Some of the new gulf airlines are doing well too, although some are not!
The EU and the CAA have lists of perceived unsafe airlines.
You haven't lived until you have seen some of the airliners serving in Africa or the Former Soviet Russia countries.
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grober
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Syntax error!
Evidently the plane sent out 24 error messages as all it's systems gradually shut down.
BBC NEWS | World | Americas | Plane 'sent 24 error messages'
Evidently the plane sent out 24 error messages as all it's systems gradually shut down.
BBC NEWS | World | Americas | Plane 'sent 24 error messages'
nicko
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View attachment 14941This is scary for anyone who travels frequently by plane!!!
This is an actual crack in a us airways boeing 737 window frame!
Fliers beware of the sub standard maintenance on the airplanes you fly on.
I'll definitely think twice before flying us air.
This is an actual crack in a us airways boeing 737 window frame!
Fliers beware of the sub standard maintenance on the airplanes you fly on.
I'll definitely think twice before flying us air.
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oldcro
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Sorry to joke about such a serious topic, but that picture looks as if someone was being sucked out of the plane ar*e backwards.
