Recently bought a 1993 190D and the screws/bolts that attach the lower side panels and the mudflaps are so rusted that they are just formless blobs. Do I ask someone to drill them out? What else attaches the panels? What will I need to reattach them?
W201 190D bottom panel removal
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ChipChop
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Hi, not 100% sure what part you mean by lower side panel but this 190 parts diagram may help you. Part number 212 on the diagram (a plastic cover over the 'outer sills') is attached by a series of phillips heads screws covered by a long black flexible rubber strip. A good penetrating fluid like Plus Gas and a few sharp taps with a phillips screwdriver is a good starting point but failing that yes drlll them out and/or use an easy out reverse thread extractor tool. The front OE mud flaps on my car had rusty fixings and came off with a bit of brute force. Best left off imho as they trap muck in a rust prone area. The link below gives part numbers for all the fixings. Best of luck.
OUTSIDE ATTACHMENT PARTS MERCEDES 190 D (201122)
Parts for unit OUTSIDE ATTACHMENT PARTS MERCEDES 190 D (201122)
www.ilcats.ru
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If they are rust welded an easy out wont get far.
first is to give them a good clean up so you know what you are dealing with.
then a shot of plus gas, lave clean up and plus gas again
Perhaps locking pliers if there is any meat on the screws.
If well rusted - drilling to form an edge (then knocking them round and out.
Drilling out is a last resort.
It may be possible to get bettr access from the rear (wheel liner out and wing off)
Its a W124 I think not a w201 and the wing is simply bolted on without much to remove .
first is to give them a good clean up so you know what you are dealing with.
then a shot of plus gas, lave clean up and plus gas again
Perhaps locking pliers if there is any meat on the screws.
If well rusted - drilling to form an edge (then knocking them round and out.
Drilling out is a last resort.
It may be possible to get bettr access from the rear (wheel liner out and wing off)
Its a W124 I think not a w201 and the wing is simply bolted on without much to remove .
Thank you, that's exactly what I meant. The screws are so rusted that they are unrecognisable and there's nothing to even start working with. That, and especially putting the panel back on, is above my grade, so I'll have to have it done. Luckily a trusted specialist not too far away. You're absolutely right about the mudflaps, there is wet mud and stones all the way to the top of the mudflap, several inches, and impossible to remove all the mud without removing the flaps.
ChipChop
MB Enthusiast
The job you are attempting is quite fresh in my mind as i spent last summer welding all 4 jacking points, and various other isolated spots (16 in total!), on my 190d. Fingers crossed you find pristine metal when the sill cover is finally removed. Not a difficult area to repair as the 'outer sill' on a w201 is part of the cars floorpan. Great cars, especially in diesel form.
My fear is that because all the screws are rusted, everything else they're attached to is rusted too... And apart from the rust, from that diagram it seems as if there are so many parts involved in attaching the panel that I'm afraid of removing the panel in case I can't get the parts to attach it again. Was that an issue for you? Shame my specialist isn't even closer (30 minute drive).The job you are attempting is quite fresh in my mind as i spent last summer welding all 4 jacking points, and various other isolated spots (16 in total!), on my 190d. Fingers crossed you find pristine metal when the sill cover is finally removed. Not a difficult area to repair as the 'outer sill' on a w201 is part of the cars floorpan. Great cars, especially in diesel form.
ChipChop
MB Enthusiast
The fixings are just screws at the top and 10mm bolts on the lower sections so not that difficult to replace. The issue is what is potentially behind the plastic panel. On my car there were rust holes behind a couple of the 10mm bolts at the bottom of the plastic sill cover which had to be cut back to good metal and then repaired with fresh steel.
The plastic sill cover is quite flexible so if you want to take a look at the sills condition without removing the upper phillips head screws remove the front wing sacco panel section and all the lower 10mm bolts, gently prise the plastic back, use a wedge of some description and then shine a torch / camera phone up there to assess condition.
Best of luck.
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Sorry to bother you again, but this just gets more complicated every time I look at it. Does my post-facelift car maybe have a different system? I can't even figure out if the mudflaps are attached to metal (the body) or just to the wheel arch lining? I've booked it in at a local non-specialist to have the flap attachments drilled out, but I fear they'll be doing some permanent harm, also to the bottom covering panel. And if the mud caught behind the flaps is just touching the wheel arch liner and not the body, maybe no rust problem?The job you are attempting is quite fresh in my mind as i spent last summer welding all 4 jacking points, and various other isolated spots (16 in total!), on my 190d. Fingers crossed you find pristine metal when the sill cover is finally removed. Not a difficult area to repair as the 'outer sill' on a w201 is part of the cars floorpan. Great cars, especially in diesel form.
