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W210 E320CDI boost problems

Dave320

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Hi all,

my rustbucket has my (very reliable) local indie scratching his head. He's not without possible answers, but the symptoms are unusual, in his experience.

The main symptom is a 95% drop in power under hard acceleration, usually after a kickdown or when cruising at motorway speeds. Basically the engine shoots up to around 3000 rpm and then sticks with a resulting drop in power, as if the turbo not working, with a bit of smoke out the back too. It does not go into limp mode and within a second or two of lifting off things go back to normal.

Other than this the car is driving quite well with 175k on the clock. It had two injectors replaced last year which cured some vibration. It did have the alternator changed about 6 weeks ago. This was by a different (non-merc specialist) indie unfortunately because we were away from home and the car needed recovered after failing catastrophically on the road :(

Other than that it has had a less-than-ideal couple of years mainly with gearbox problems : rpm sensors, tranny fluid in the EGS thru' the wiring loom :mad:, but also with two new front shocks and drop-links.

I am normally pretty easy with my right foot and car tends to be driven below 2000-2500 rpm.

After having a drive my man's initial guess was that the turbo was being starved of air, and that the MAF or "valves" controlling the airflow may be at fault.

So he had it in today. He was leaning toward the cat being blocked for a while, which he ruled out by disconnecting it with no improvement. He also swapped out the MAF with no joy either. Now the suspicious finger is pointing at some sensors (transducer?)

What has him head-scratching is that when the engine gets to high revs, and turbo spools up, the air intake pipe at the front of the car suddenly becomes squashed as if the engine can't get enough air and the suction cause a vacuum that compresses the intake pipe. I assume this then causes the drop in power as the engine is then starved of air.

What it seems to suggest is that the turbo is actually 'over-boosting' and he thinks that the turbo is not dumping as it should. He is happy that the turbo itself is functioning, he isolated it and it runs as it should.

The STAR software is not being too helpful, all it reports is something like "Implausible boost" and "Implausible transducer" (I didn't see it myself)

My guy's plan is to get it back in when he has another E320 in the shop and start swapping some of the sensors to see if can track it down without starting to just replace the sensors one by one at my expense.

So, any thoughts or suggestions would be welcome that might save us some effort.

thanks
 
Which pipe is collapsing? the one to the air filter, air filter to turbo, turbo to intercooler or the intercooler to the inlet manifold, if not sure post a piccy.



Lynall
 
sorry, it's the pipe/hose to the air filter, it runs from the side of the engine out to just behind the radiator, it's probably 3-4" in diameter (normally)
 
just to be clear, it's the lower of the two hoses in the attached photo, with the corrugated section, and it's the actual air intake hose at the front of the car
 

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He can test the vacuum transducers with the help of the Star.
 
Not too sure if this will help but ive had one where the corrugated was sort of collapsing and took the hose off and run it with out the hose and the car was fine.

Ordered a new hose fitted to the vehicle and it has been fine ever since.

Has this problem started since you have had the alternator fitted
 
thanks

I'm fairly sure it's started after the new alternator was fitted, but can't be 100% sure, as I said, I tend to drive fairly relaxed.

As for just removing/replacing the hose, I will ask the mechanic, but I'd be pretty certain he would have tried that, he did spend time disconnecting different things. Also the STAR did report "implausible" readings from the turbo and vacuum transducer, could a collapsing air intake on its own cause that?

I will definitely mention to him about the specific diagnostic test for the vacuum transducer, assuming that can catch an issue that hasn't been reported as a fault when the problem actually occurs. He may well have done it already, but it's worth confirming.

thanks for the suggestions
 

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