Whats your strategy for year 2030 / ban of ICE vehicles?

[Riva811]

My thoughts are I would love a V8 hybrid as I want a V8 but also electric for central London driving. Those uber slowing down and accellerating between 16-20mph dont do ICE engines (and probably electric either) any favours with milage.
Tycan looks good. I was hoping Mercedes would of had a better hybrid proposition than 7 miles range in the 2022 SL/GT.

 

[BPD07]

EV for local, ICE for longer range and classic for the pub car park. Pretty much where I am now, apart from I’ve got two pub classics. I expect public EV charging will be sorted in five or six years so the long range ICE may go.

 

[Petrol Pete]

I haven't even decided what I'm having for breakfast today (probably brunch , as it's 09:30 now) never mind what I might be driving in 2030

 

[Diesel Benz]

well it might have the horse power but it looks like sh*t. I was thinking pure electric EQs for a minute. Well, where are those 816PS hybrids? last time I checked the GT73 does 7miles range.

Isn't that still a hybrid? Would you only accept those that can handle city driving on electric, not much need for a sports car there. Hamilton's car is called hybrid and it cannot do even a single lap on electric (you see, my comment was not supposed to be taken too seriously, like all of my comments).

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

I was hoping Mercedes would of had a better hybrid proposition than 7 miles range in the 2022 SL/GT.

That’s because the AMG hybrid powertrain is for performance and favourable tax and use in city centres, and not for economy. For those, look to Mercedes-Benz models rather than Mercedes-AMG.

 

[Gazwould]

ICE to buy new will be much cheaper towards the end .

Even now a friend of a friend has a new Hyundai i20N coming , only has to wait 4 months , a hoot of a car apparently and only 25K for the base model , but it's got many extras and a great deal with the finance because his mate in some capacity works at the dealership .

7k down and £250 a month , iirc .

 

[Yex]

I don't rate EV's at all currently. Yes, they could be acceptable to me for regular short journeys when I can charge them up at home overnight but if I need to do an emergency dash anywhere I'd find waiting to charge them up for 60 minutes plus a non starter. As mentioned above, and by many respected YT contributors, the infrastructure for EV's just doesn't work currently and has little chance of keeping up with sales unless something significant changes rather quickly. The idea of having to wait to use a charging point before then having to stay connected to it for 45 minutes at least to get a decent range increase is just a waste of time. There is also the issue of charging times as larger sites dropping significantly when more charging points are in use - there is only so much grunt you can shift through electric lines regardless of how many charging points you make available.

Me, I'm looking at a 911 GT3 next spring as my last fast car and as a retirement pressie to myself. Once I get to the stage where it's too fast (might not take long ) I'll be looking at something like an MST MK2 for rear drive ICE fun at a much less frantic pace.

ICE is going to be here for a long time yet and I intend to keep using it for as long as possible

 

[markjay]

The current proposal is for ban on non-Hybrid ICE from 2030, and a ban on EV/ICE Hybrids from 2035.

Nothing has been passed through Parliament as yet, though.

 

[davymead]

Get yourself a nice classic for a fraction of the price of a useable EV and sit back and enjoy whilst watching it go up in value. The extra tax and fuel duty will be a drop in the ocean compared to the depreciation of an EV. Do the sums, you know it makes sense. Regards, the unconverted .

PS, i think there's going to be a big u turn on this one.

Spot on.
Over the years, I’ve built/rebuilt SO many classics that now are worth big money, only to sell them on ……. Like this little beauty

 

[davymead]

One left that’s in the slow process of rebuilding …..

Surprisingly quick and great fun to drive, watercooled is the way forward for an old git like me.

 

[GeeJayW]

The current proposal is for ban on non-Hybrid ICE from 2030, and a ban on EV/ICE Hybrids from 2035.

Nothing has been passed through Parliament as yet, though.

That’s sales of new ICE cars though isn’t it?

Unless mandated by legislation or killed off by schemes like ULEV zone taxation schemes, use of ICE equipped cars will continue for as long as they are viable, ie affordable and there is fuel and oil for them.

 

[TeddyRuxpin]

Has this video done the rounds on here, yet? It's not that new, but talks about the electricity infrastructure in the UK (and if it would be/is able to cope), and it's got Chris Harris, so it must be good. The 'electricity guy' is also a very good public speaker!

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[Riva811]

That’s because the AMG hybrid powertrain is for performance and favourable tax and use in city centres, and not for economy. For those, look to Mercedes-Benz models rather than Mercedes-AMG.

agreed but so far the hybrid legislation for 2030 says hybrid vehicles that can do a considerable range. I think 7mph doesnt cut it.

 

[190]

Get yourself a nice classic for a fraction of the price of a useable EV and sit back and enjoy whilst watching it go up in value. The extra tax and fuel duty will be a drop in the ocean compared to the depreciation of an EV. Do the sums, you know it makes sense

Doing this on two wheels is easy. I have a 42 year old BMW motorcycle with annual standing charges of under £100 per year. No road tax and no MOT, just insurance and an annual service.

A classic is a sound idea provided you never need to drive when it's wet or particularly when there is salt on the road. If cared for a motorcycle can fairly easily be made to last forever so finding a 40 year old one in good condition is a reasonable prospect but finding a 40 year old car that is rust free and will remain so as a daily driver in the wet and salt is a much taller order. I'd do it in a heart beat if I lived in a dry and salt free climate.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

agreed but so far the hybrid legislation for 2030 says hybrid vehicles that can do a considerable range. I think 7mph doesnt cut it.

Are you referring to the sale of new cars in 2030. It’s 2021 as I type. Much will change between now and then including the legislation itself.

 

[Dryce]

I was expecting to replace my current car and started looking over the summer.

I've backed off. I'm looking at holding on to my current car for another few years.

At the moment hybrids and EVs don't work well for my usage patterns.

We've realised that the net result is our expenditure on motoring has dropped - even though my annual fuel consumption (keeping my old car) will be between 50% to 100% higher than if I had bought a new diesel as planned.

There is an emissions zone planned for Glasgow which is my closest city which is potentially punitive because it is a proposed system of escalating fines as opposed to a charge but I do hardly any business there despite its proximity and I haven't driven my car there for a couple of years. I have taken my car to London - but paying £12.50 / day to drive into London two or three weeks a year ti enter the extended ULEZ is nothing compared with the cost of a new car.

If I retire then an EV or PHEV would likely be a better fit - but if the products are not sufficiently attractive by then we'll probably hold on to at least one or both of our exiting ICE vehicles.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

It's extraordinary how people misunderstand these proposals.

The average vehicle age in the UK is ten years old.

The proposed, but not legislated, ban is on pure ICE from 2030, and on hybrids from 2035. So ICE and hybrids will still be in use in 2040 / 2050 / 2060

As Douglas Adams said "I love deadlines. I love that "whoosh" sound they make as they go by." You can be sure the deadlines will slide: in the UK, EU, USA and Rest of the World.

We are but 1% of the world, regardless of what "we" do, the world, and especially Asia, will determine what really happens. Even the Yanks, with 5% of the population, and a chunk of purchasing power, will have limited influence.

I've deliberately halved by CO2/km output by using a smaller car, but that's partly because of being an empty nester. I have taken on board the need to reduce CO2, but I know full well that my flights and food create more CO2 than my car.

Do I feel a need to send 10-20 tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere by buying a new car? (Call it ten years of CO2 from actual driving) Obviously not. Leave that to the Teslerati.

Can we jump to the conclusion that ICE will be taxed out of existence? Only if we "think" Ecos will either be in power, or hold a balance of power. More likely the Government will start to tax EV's properly, to stop everyone switching.

Charging your cars on your driveway is cheap, but not so much if you don't own a garage or driveway. And lots of people don't. So the incentive for "poor people" to switch to EV isn't as obvious as the Evangelists would have you believe.

EV's are exciting, interesting and probably the future. But it'll take some proven tech and the right price to get me to convert. As for Generation 1 and 2 Hybrids: they're rubbish and a waste of time. Wait for Generation 3 or 4.

 

[Dryce]

Can we jump to the conclusion that ICE will be taxed out of existence? Only if we "think" Ecos will either be in power, or hold a balance of power. More likely the Government will start to tax EV's properly, to stop everyone switching.

Not just taxed out of existence - restricted out of practical existence.

This isn't just a matter of the ICE ban but the restrictions and charges for vehicles entering specific zones, the restrictions on road space through cycle lanes and more complex junctions, the restrictions on road space through bus lanes and bus gates and bus links, temporary speed restrictions on motorways because of emissions, permanent speed restrictions on roads because of emissions, 20mph zones in urban areas, deliberately punitive VED implementation, potential for more punitive fuel tax implementation, changes in the highway code.

The (im)balance of power on the pragmatism of decision making has shifted badly.

As an example I'm not against bus lanes that are actually used by buses. But what I see are empty bus lanes reappearing that badly increase congestion (and .... oh the irony .... probably increasing emissions as a result).

I do apprecaite some of the improvements for cyclists but for every well designed or pragmatic scheme it seems that there are too many examples off gross beligerent dogmatic crass stupidity.

 

[Gbrowncls55]

Just keep your car as long as possible. That way you amortise the huge initial manufacturing carbon footprint over as many years as possible. This is particularly true if you are a low annual mileage driver (less than 10k) as I am. Although I do appreciate I could considerably improve things further without an M113k!
As EVs increase, mileage pricing or road pricing (too complicated to start with but possible over the long term) is inevitable really or the treasury coffers will suffer too much

 

[markjay]

Also... for anyone's caring primarily about the financial aspects of car ownership... NOW is the time to have a new EV on a business lease - if your circumstances allow it. Just putting it out there....